70~100K Budget, what to buy?
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You'll never replace PCCB. The parts last 4 times longer than conventional. Plus, I'd never own a modern Porsche outside the warranty period.
Brings up another point, CPO adds 2 years so pick a car with a lot of warranty remaining. Don't expect much margin with the price. Find the car you want, no matter where it is.
Brings up another point, CPO adds 2 years so pick a car with a lot of warranty remaining. Don't expect much margin with the price. Find the car you want, no matter where it is.
So, concerning the ownership of porsche within warranty period, do you think it is best to buy latest model ('11 over '10) plus CPO? And, by saying not to expect much margin with price, do you mean that I won't be able to get a bargain compared to MSRP?
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You'll get a huge bargain over MSRP, but don't expect much off asking prices as they are usually consistent across the country. Definitely try. End of the month helps. Make it well known you're quick to walk away. Set a price and stand by it, even if it means losing the car. Newer model year doesn't always equate to more warranty. Depends when it was brought into service. But generally an '11 should have more remaining warranty than a '10.
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You'll get a huge bargain over MSRP, but don't expect much off asking prices as they are usually consistent across the country. Definitely try. End of the month helps. Make it well known you're quick to walk away. Set a price and stand by it, even if it means losing the car. Newer model year doesn't always equate to more warranty. Depends when it was brought into service. But generally an '11 should have more remaining warranty than a '10.
Hi Steve, thanks for your kind replies. I have two more question.
1) So the prices they ask on Porsche Used Car Search Engine is basically what I will pay? Or are they inflated?
2) Is it better to get non-CPO from private party? Or, since I am new to P-Car, is it better off getting CPO from dealers?
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Hi Steve, thanks for your kind replies. I have two more question.
1) So the prices they ask on Porsche Used Car Search Engine is basically what I will pay? Or are they inflated?
2) Is it better to get non-CPO from private party? Or, since I am new to P-Car, is it better off getting CPO from dealers?
Thank you!
1) So the prices they ask on Porsche Used Car Search Engine is basically what I will pay? Or are they inflated?
2) Is it better to get non-CPO from private party? Or, since I am new to P-Car, is it better off getting CPO from dealers?
Thank you!
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I would buy CPO and the prices on the search engine are typically competitive. When you find a car you like, go to that dealer's private website and check their internet price, which could differ. Make sure you have them be very upfront with any cosmetic flaws as you want them to take care of that, if they haven't already. Make sure they haven't haven't swapped wheels with another car so the mileage on the car is the same as the tires. I've seen many cars with far under 10K miles and the tires are bald. If you're looking for a PDK and it has the non Porsche Design steering wheel, don't expect them to swap it out (there are usually only a handful of those wheels in the US inventory at any point in time). That wheel will cost you a $1K, so factor that into your budget. The wheel differs between the '09-'10 models and '11-'12 models.
Hi Steve,
From what I've searched, the 2011 C2S under 10000 miles are around 85K and 2011 GTS under 10000 miles are 95K. DO these prices seem about right?
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AM is a beautiful car and I love their designs. Only thing I am worried about is
1. I heard that they are not reliable and have many mechanical and electronic failures
2. CPO not offered
3. Maintenance price is expensive. Even excluding gas prices, their repair costs are quite expensive.
4. Within my budget, wouldn't I only have access to old models?
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Not poking at you, but I just laugh every time I see this referenced. I'm 50, learned to drive "stick" before I could even drive legally, and know its merits quite well and why people say what you just did. PDK and other high-end gearboxes in "modern" cars have made manual H boxes truly obsolete.
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If you want a stick, it should be in a generation 911 which predates the 997.2, preferably a 993.
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If you want a stick, it should be in a generation 911 which predates the 997.2, preferably a 993.
FWIW
I'm glad you enjoy driving a PDK so much, but saying there's absolutely no reason anybody should ever buy one is ridiculous... 
Some of us enjoy the challenge of driving a manual as well as the feel of rowing a shifter through the gears. I've driven at least 20 different auto-manuals in my life, including Ferraris and other high end cars with excellent systems, but I still love driving a true manual. Given the choice, I will always have a manual in my driveway over an auto-manual.
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to OP, you can get 09-10 V8 Vantage or DB9. Reliability is always a concern, there is always warranty you can purchase. I would drive one before you make your decision. Good luck, have fun.
to OP, you can get 09-10 V8 Vantage or DB9. Reliability is always a concern, there is always warranty you can purchase. I would drive one before you make your decision. Good luck, have fun.
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Not poking at you, but I just laugh every time I see this referenced. I'm 50, learned to drive "stick" before I could even drive legally, and know its merits quite well and why people say what you just did. PDK and other high-end gearboxes in "modern" cars have made manual H boxes truly obsolete. Especially on circuits. I have time at Nurburgring using both and I'll take PDK or a semi-manual sequential gearbox hands down. I also grew up riding very high performance motorcycles so shifting sequentially is in my blood. When I drive a manual gearbox, I blip the throttle on every lower gear downshift as it's ingrained from motorcycling, as is staying in the needed gear which is usually lower than most would select for the speed. Driving a PDK as God intended means never driving in auto mode, and preferably, never in anything but Sport Plus. Only then does the car come alive. Plus you need the proper Sport Design steering wheel with L-/R+ paddles. You'll find yourself shifting far more often and exactly when needed. Especially for downshifts. Many have a tendency with manual boxes to stay in the same gear when the situation truly calls for another, especially a lower gear. Drivers with manual boxes can be just as lazy as those driving autos. PDK enables you to rage through the gears to suit the need and the whole time your eyes and brain are clearly focused on the path of travel. I love manuals, but in this now era of ultra high tech gearboxes, that's the choice. If you want a stick, it should be in a generation 911 which predates the 997.2, preferably a 993.
FWIW
FWIW
BTT, you can look into an CPO Aston Martin Vantage in your price range. It's not as sporty as the 911 but it's a beautiful looking car. If it's going to be your daily driver. I would probably go with a C2S over a GT3.
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blah, blah, blah, it's more fun and engaging driving a manual. I don't care if the computer shifts faster. No PDK, F1 will ever make the manual obsolete. The 911 is a fun sports car and shifting yourself adds to that. No manual is the only reason I never brought an AMG. I am a huge fan of Mercedes styling. I was drawn to Porsche because it is the only sports car that offered a manual. Call me old school but I prefer a manual sports car.
BTT, you can look into an CPO Aston Martin Vantage in your price range. It's not as sporty as the 911 but it's a beautiful looking car. If it's going to be your daily driver. I would probably go with a C2S over a GT3.
BTT, you can look into an CPO Aston Martin Vantage in your price range. It's not as sporty as the 911 but it's a beautiful looking car. If it's going to be your daily driver. I would probably go with a C2S over a GT3.
CPO Warranty coverage:
Porsche Approved Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty covers up to 6 years, or a cumulative 100,000 miles, from the original in-service date (whichever occurs first), if the vehicle is still under the new car limited warranty at the time of purchase.
For vehicles no longer under the new vehicle limited warranty at the time of used retail delivery, Porsche Approved Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty coverage extends until the earlier of:
• 2 years from the date of used retail delivery
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• 50,000 miles from the mileage at used retail delivery, but not to exceed a cumulative 100,000 total miles on the vehicle
Porsche Approved Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty covers up to 6 years, or a cumulative 100,000 miles, from the original in-service date (whichever occurs first), if the vehicle is still under the new car limited warranty at the time of purchase.
For vehicles no longer under the new vehicle limited warranty at the time of used retail delivery, Porsche Approved Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty coverage extends until the earlier of:
• 2 years from the date of used retail delivery
OR
• 50,000 miles from the mileage at used retail delivery, but not to exceed a cumulative 100,000 total miles on the vehicle
1. A CPO Car with its original warranty have 6 years/100,000 Mile coverage
AND
2. A CPO Car with expired original warranty and that have registered for CPO Program will only have 2 year/50,000 Mile coverage?
Thus making #1 choice much better of a choice?
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I lived in Boston for 13 years before I moved to Colorado and had a manual 911 as my daily driver for 4 years. At that point I'd been driving manuals for over 10 years. I lived on the Medford/Somerville line and commuted to John Han**** in Back Bay which was about 6 miles. I love driving a manual, but even for a die-hard manual guy like me, I got pretty annoyed at having to drive it every day in Boston traffic.
Sorry but this is an incredibly narrow-minded point of view. So basically because you enjoy driving a PDK and other auto-manuals more than a stick, and double clutch systems tend to be faster than manuals, that means nobody should drive a manual any more? I'm glad you enjoy driving a PDK so much, but saying there's absolutely no reason anybody should ever buy one is ridiculous...
Some of us enjoy the challenge of driving a manual as well as the feel of rowing a shifter through the gears. I've driven at least 20 different auto-manuals in my life, including Ferraris and other high end cars with excellent systems, but I still love driving a true manual. Given the choice, I will always have a manual in my driveway over an auto-manual.
Sorry but this is an incredibly narrow-minded point of view. So basically because you enjoy driving a PDK and other auto-manuals more than a stick, and double clutch systems tend to be faster than manuals, that means nobody should drive a manual any more?
I'm glad you enjoy driving a PDK so much, but saying there's absolutely no reason anybody should ever buy one is ridiculous... Some of us enjoy the challenge of driving a manual as well as the feel of rowing a shifter through the gears. I've driven at least 20 different auto-manuals in my life, including Ferraris and other high end cars with excellent systems, but I still love driving a true manual. Given the choice, I will always have a manual in my driveway over an auto-manual.
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With your budget you could also consider a 2013 base carrera (991). Defnately get CPO if you go used, I would go for the GTS.
He said he wants PDK, why has this become manual vs PDK debate?
He said he wants PDK, why has this become manual vs PDK debate?
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Thought this thread would be a little more interesting. Really, recommending a GT3 to someone that wants to use a car as a daily driver? You've got to be kidding. However, you'll find a ton of used '10s for sale from people who thought they could do that.
Also, if you really have a budget up to $100k, why hasn't anyone suggested a turbo? I'm looking for an '09 and it is easily in that range. Or even an'07-09. Dealers CPO them all the time. It is much more of a GT car than even a C2S. Also has 4wd. Living in Boston, 4wd would be a huge plus. Can't drive a stick, what the heck, get a tiptronic. They are actually faster than manuals. Not my cup of tea, but I've driven stick forever.
Also, if you really have a budget up to $100k, why hasn't anyone suggested a turbo? I'm looking for an '09 and it is easily in that range. Or even an'07-09. Dealers CPO them all the time. It is much more of a GT car than even a C2S. Also has 4wd. Living in Boston, 4wd would be a huge plus. Can't drive a stick, what the heck, get a tiptronic. They are actually faster than manuals. Not my cup of tea, but I've driven stick forever.