That's the problem with Porsche. Who cares if the GT3 is only going to put out 405 hp ? So they have to downgrade the power of the Turbo ? Absolutely asinine thinking. So the competitors are adding 75-100 hp, but Porsche can't see that because their trying to keep their performance level down to what there other models are pushing out ? The 996 GT3 would match fenders with the C5 Z06 even with a slight disadvantage with hp (375 vs. 405), but GM decided to add 100 hp. So Porsche adds a WHOPPING 30 hp (according to you it is 405 hp). It used to be that the GT3 could compete with a Z06, now it looks like it will compete with the "regular" Corvette. What next, Porsche trying to hoodwink us to believe that the 911 TT should compete with the regular Corvette as well ? I heard the rumor that the next GT3 was supposed to have 420 hp, if all the hp claims are getting downgraded I think Porsche will be on the outside looking in. For sure you will have one less buyer here. Porsche should aspire to be superior to Ferrari, not equal. The last 911TT was solidly faster (at least in a straightline) vs. the 360 Modena. The upcoming model should have similar advantages.

Not sure where you expect a GT2 version to have 80hp more than the Turbo S model. Currently it is 445 hp vs. 477 hp (+32hp). The big difference is the GT2 vs. "regular" Turbo, 415hp vs. 477 hp (+62 hp).

The numbers I heard in a preliminary fashion was 997 TT = 480-500 hp, Turbo S = 525 hp, & GT3 = 420 hp. The numbers you are hearing, if true are just plain sad.

 

Cool your heels guys. The TT will be 480hp if not more. But you will pay dearly and they will produce a ton of them. Line up with your vaseline jars while Porsche rubs their hands in glee.

BTW, since when is a Porsche equal to a Ferrari? Granted performance is similar with the upgrade Porsche models but that is the case with a Z06 or any modded cheaper sport car. Does that make them equal?

Equal in all aspect is just wrong.

 

Porsche and Ferrari compete in two entirely different planes of the car market. There are customers that cross between makes but the overall percentage is very low. The views on this board reflect enthusiasts views with HP being the primary "want" for most of us but we have to keep the overall Porsche clientele in perspective. Porsche will probably offer the base TT in a HP range of 460-480 with an S version above the majic 500HP for us enthusiests(sp). Whatever the final HP ratings, you can rest assured that the press will tout the car as "world class" and "ultra-exoctic". Once the first 6speed member posts pics and initial comments about the car a good number of us will visit our local dealer and place our orders. Regardless of the final HP ratings.

 

In terms of performance in the previous iteration the 996 TT was more than a match vs. the 360 Modena. If you look at the comparison, many times it was superior in performance. That is what I meant. Not necessarily in price or status (or reliability) there is a delta between the 2 (good or bad). You didn't need a so called "upgrade" model to compete. The Turbo S would slaughter the 360 in straight runs. Even the "regular" TT would be more than a match for the 360. Just throwing Ferrari out there as some people claim that Corvettes are not a competitor to the 911 (correspondingly the Z06 vs. 911TT/GT3). OK, so then you have Ferrari (which even the magazines like to prop us against them. Previously the TT could match the 360 fender to fender (& then some). I just hope the new line, we won;t have to go up to the "S" to get that similar edge.

 

Marketing. Easier to sell as an option, the "base" sticker price + options, and widening the range so they can sell/make more.

Those options have some nice profits.

 

That's why I will just keep my modded tt and smoke the 997 tt, Ferrari, Lambo, etc...

Porsche should make the tt 500 hp minimum and then the S could be more. I agree with what has been said above look at the jump Ferrari made from the 360 to the 430 over 100 hp. I sure hope we are just bantering about things we really don't know and Porsche is going to give us what we want!

PORSCHE WE LOVE YOU BUT WE WANT YOU TO BE THE LEADERS NOT THE FOLLOWERS, GIVE US 500 HP TT!



As if anyone from Porsche actually reads this stuff.

 

Although the 450hp number might be lacking...I am quite sure it would be faster than the 996 turboS... Porsche hp is a lot fatter compared to other manufacturers!
Just look at what the Carrera S does 0-60 between 4-4.5sec and the 1/4 mile in around 12.3/12.5!! Now add 100hp, AWD and a DSG your looking at under 4sec and 11sec quarter mile runs....
I am sure it will hang with the F430 in stock trim! The S will wack the crap out of the 430!!

 

Not sure where you are seeing 12.3-12/5 times for the Carrera S. The same magazines that are pulling 12.2-12.3's from the turbos are getting 12.6-12.8's from the Carrera S's Still a major improvement from the previous generation cars, but not close in comparison to the previous generation Turbos. I have the Best Motoring video that throughly tests the Carrera S (and previous generation Turbo, as well as other cars)and the Carrera S ran a 12.9 (no clutch drop) vs. the Turbo's 12.3 (again no clutch drop). I agree that the Porsches horses seem bigger than usual, given that the Carrera S can keep up with the Corvette through the 1/4 mile, but with the same 450 hp (as an X50) the new 997 TT would have a hardtime with the new C6 Z06 or F430. The F430 has been pulling some remarkable #'s. A 3.5 sec. 0-60, with 1/4 mile times in the mid-high 11's.

The Porsche TT's keep on gaining weight. THIS CAR NEEDS 500 HP.

 

What is this best motoring video that tests these vehicles?

Thanks
Aaron

 

I have that video too...bought it from e-bay....but you can buy em here too! >>>
http://www.ewacars.com/cgi-bin/sshp/...d%3E&storeid=1

I have seen these timings in the road and track magazine --
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=8

 

This is from Road and track, latest edition:
At the test track, the Carrera S posted some awesome acceleration numbers: zero to 60 mph in 3.9 sec. and 12.3 to the quarter (we got a 4.4 and 12.8, respectively, in a previous test). These numbers were so extraordinary that we took the car to MD Automotive in Westminster, California, to measure the Carrera S’s output on the dynamometer. No steroid controversy here, the car came away clean. The only explanation for the difference in acceleration times is that this particular engine had a proper break-in period (it had 5400 miles on the odometer as opposed to the 1200 miles on our previous test car).

I saw those articles too. Regardless, the turbos will no doubt be awesome. I feel the 997 C2S are under rated. Racing straight line against a E46 M3 with SMG and my C2S, I walk away from my buddies modded M3 with SMG (SMG is crazy, if you havn't owned one' not test driven, you won't understand). Horsepower is similar, weight difference is negligible. where is all the extra power coming from? less drive train loss?

 

Advantage from standing start would be the rear engine layout and I can only assume a better power band with less drive train loss??

 

Not to mention that when EVO dynoed the 997S They got 303.4 whp. If you use an 18% driveline loss that is close to 370 hp. M3's usually dyno around high 260's-low 270's (an example is 273 whp translates with 18% loss to 333 hp).

 

Horsepower isnt everything guys....

 

I want 600 horses like the next guy but look at one thing. The c6 z06 is a 427 inch monster with light weight and hugh rear tires for grip. No shame in barely keeping up. This bastard is going to be nasty. I do think that acceleration is more important that HP. Look at the lotus elise. HP is not that high but this car is quick 0-100. As long as new turbo will pull 11.8-12.0 with a civil launch and the S's will pull 11.3-11.6 with a banchi launch whatever the HP is it will keep up with whatever is currently out there. It will also be able to turn without killing you.