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Old Sep 27, 2015 | 05:53 PM
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Hello
My 2012 C2S has no chrono package.
It does have a stick, PASM and the the Sports Exhaust.
My question is what does the Chrono do for a stick.
and what happens when the Sport button is on.
 

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Old Sep 27, 2015 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Street Fighter
Hello
My 2012 C2S has no chrono package.
It does have a stick, PASM and the the Sports Exhaust.
My question is what does the Chrono do for a stick.
Does it still have the Sport button and what happens when its on.
Well you can answer your last question yourself by looking at the buttons on your center console - I imagine all you have will be 4 buttons:
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PASM
Sport exhaust, and
PSM

No Sport button without Sport Chrono.
 
Old Sep 27, 2015 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Street Fighter
Hello
My 2012 C2S has no chrono package.
It does have a stick, PASM and the the Sports Exhaust.
My question is what does the Chrono do for a stick.
and what happens when the Sport button is on.
I had Porsche of Orlando retrofit the sport mode software into my C2S because my car wasn't optioned with sport chrono either. With the retrofit you don't get the chrono stopwatch but you do get:
- Sport throttle mapping which is a more direct throttle response and can help with heel toe driving on a track.
- A hard rev limiter instead of the soft rev limiter which causes the engine to lose power when hitting redline. The hard limiter allows you to just keep mashing the gas and bounce the throttle at the redline.
- Disabling PSM will more fully disable it. Actually you can never fully disable it, but when in sport mode it will not kick in unless all 4 wheels have completely lost traction whereas without sport mode it kicks in if either front wheel loses traction, or something like that. Again, good for the track.
 
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Hunt3R how much did they charge for it
 
Old Sep 27, 2015 | 11:00 PM
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Isn't an ecu remap the same as sport button?
 
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Hunt3R how much did they charge for it
I don't have the paperwork where I can't get to it at the moment, but you can look up the cost for your car on the Suncoast Porsche parts website and just add a couple hours labor. My Porsche dealer ordered it for me and price matched Suncoast.

In my opinion, the sport retrofit adds resale value to the car while an ecu remap takes away value because some 3rd party has tried to change the air fuel ratios to get more power out of the engine and there's no guarantee it won't cause damage over time.
 
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Here is the part on Suncoast:

http://www.suncoastparts.com/product/9X7SM.html

I am planning on doing this too. I think its a nice addition if your car does not already have it.

Does anyone know if you can retrofit the chrono to the car too?
 
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Originally Posted by phily911
Here is the part on Suncoast:

http://www.suncoastparts.com/product/9X7SM.html

I am planning on doing this too. I think its a nice addition if your car does not already have it.

Does anyone know if you can retrofit the chrono to the car too?
I'm sure it could be added...but at a significant cost...but why - it's just an expensive stopwatch - all the value is in the software which is the Suncoast add-on.
 
Old Sep 28, 2015 | 06:36 AM
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I agree, it completely depends on the costs.
 
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In my opinion, the sport retrofit adds resale value to the car while an ecu remap takes away value because some 3rd party has tried to change the air fuel ratios to get more power out of the engine and there's no guarantee it won't cause damage over time.


The sport retrofit definitively adds value, however how much does that cost compares to a remap?

A remap doesn't add value however the gains you get on a na engine are that small it would make no difference to the longevity of the engine, I've never heard of anyone having engines troubles after a remap from a reputable dealer, not just some 3rd party.

Flashing turbos and getting 30% more hp is another story. na engine gains are less than 10 %. na flashes are more about throttle response and power delivery rather than power gains and improved lap times. it would shave no more than a maximum of 2/10's of a second off the 0-60mph time. Which is no where near noticeable.
 

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Originally Posted by no1joey
The sport retrofit definitively adds value, however how much does that cost compares to a remap? A remap doesn't add value however the gains you get on a na engine are that small it would make no difference to the longevity of the engine, I've never heard of anyone having engines troubles after a remap from a reputable dealer, not just some 3rd party. Flashing turbos and getting 30% more hp is another story. na engine gains are less than 10 %. na flashes are more about throttle response and power delivery rather than power gains and improved lap times. it would shave no more than a maximum of 2/10's of a second off the 0-60mph time. Which is no where near noticeable.


Oh come on. Enough with the your car won't make more power unless it's Turbo bs.


Been hearing that since I've had my 2.0l Honda.

Did that stop anyone from modding? No.




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Originally Posted by Street Fighter
Hello
My 2012 C2S has no chrono package.
It does have a stick, PASM and the the Sports Exhaust.
My question is what does the Chrono do for a stick.
and what happens when the Sport button is on.
For a manual gearbox car - Sport Chrono gets you the following options (at least on a 2009 997.2 car):

If you have FACTORY Sport Chrono.

1) You get access to certain personalization options/settings via the PCM that you would otherwise have to get done via a PIWIS at the dealer. Mainly personalization settings - ie PER KEY settings like interior light, climate control, and I think changing DRL mode for the car. These are mostly the kind of things you would set once and never futz with again as a solo user - if you have two different drivers, having the ability to customize your own preferences can be nice.

2) In sport mode, the mapping of accelerator pedal deflection to throttle opening is more aggressive (so less foot push results in more throttle -ie the throttle is much quicker to respond to your foot.) Not more power, just less physical movement of the throttle needed. And the PASM (if you have it) goes into sport mode, as well as the PSM (stability management) goes onto a less controlling state. (on both manual and auto).

3) And of course the wart clock and onboard computer/steering stalk control of the lap timer (which is not useful except on tracks and not sure many use it) - but this is common to all cars: manual and auto.

As far as the 'retrofit' module - I'm not sure if you get all of that.
 
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Not worth the $$ for what you get in any of that IMO.... And I have had cars re mapped in the past. Mostly adds shifting points, shifting firmness and quickness of the trans which is helpful on a AUTO car (Porsches too). You have a 6 speed. It s your money but I d do something else with it.
 
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Originally Posted by AP1to911
Oh come on. Enough with the your car won't make more power unless it's Turbo bs.


Been hearing that since I've had my 2.0l Honda.

Did that stop anyone from modding? No.




An improvement is an improvement.
huh?
 
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