I guess Aston listened to me . . .
I have to believe that there is plenty of "fat" in a factory spec V12V-S that could be shaved to make it a pure performance focused road car. Still a road car, but biased to the benefit of power, performance and track days.
BUT IT MUST HAVE A GREAT, CONTEMPORARY TRANSMISSION! There just has to be something they can shoehorn in there.
And I still want a good explanation as to why they can't put the One-77 engine in (a Vantage) and simply own every comparison showdown for the next 3 years.
BUT IT MUST HAVE A GREAT, CONTEMPORARY TRANSMISSION! There just has to be something they can shoehorn in there.
And I still want a good explanation as to why they can't put the One-77 engine in (a Vantage) and simply own every comparison showdown for the next 3 years.
I guess I was under the impression that the 360MC was just a lightened, track-prepped version of the 360, and the 360CS added back the road-legal requirements (glass windows vs lexan, etc).
The Vantage GT3 is a very different car with little in common with the V12VS. It has all-carbon bodywork (except the roof), the engine is mounted in a different position (lower, and I think maybe further back), and the suspension components are all bespoke. Not including what would obviously be removed for a roadgoing car, like the fire suppression system, there are still some marked differences that add to the price.
The only price I can find for the 360MC was an estimated $175k. The Vantage GT3 is $560k. So although Ferrari was able to take the 360MC and make a roadgoing version of it for a marketable price, the Vantage GT3 is too much a racecar that is fundamentally different than the production car to warrant it being used as the basis of a roadgoing variant like the 360MC.
The Vantage GT3 is a very different car with little in common with the V12VS. It has all-carbon bodywork (except the roof), the engine is mounted in a different position (lower, and I think maybe further back), and the suspension components are all bespoke. Not including what would obviously be removed for a roadgoing car, like the fire suppression system, there are still some marked differences that add to the price.
The only price I can find for the 360MC was an estimated $175k. The Vantage GT3 is $560k. So although Ferrari was able to take the 360MC and make a roadgoing version of it for a marketable price, the Vantage GT3 is too much a racecar that is fundamentally different than the production car to warrant it being used as the basis of a roadgoing variant like the 360MC.
Not trying to fight you... Just discussing semantics, I guess. A roadgoing GT4 version of the V12VS is much more likely than a GT3 version. There are huge differences between the GT3 and GT4 programs. That's all I'm getting at.
Either way, I'm sure we're both excited to see what AM comes up with.
Either way, I'm sure we're both excited to see what AM comes up with.
The Vantage GT3 is a completely different animal than a V12VS. Plus, it's $560k. That's a far cry beyond the pricetag of a "sportier" $200k car. I think a road-going GT3 isn't terribly likely given the extent to which the GT3 differs from the V12VS. Here's a bunch of info on it:
http://www.speedhunters.com/2013/08/...ins-gt3-racer/
What I could see AM doing is taking the Porsche/Ferrari route and stripping down a V12VS:
Replace all leather with alcantara or bare carbon.
One-piece carbon-shell seats on manual sliders, delete all seat controls.
Eliminate the nav.
Eliminate the sound system, but leave it as an option because I need my tunes damnit.
Take out the carpet, cargo divider, sound deadening, etc.
Eliminate cruise control and everything else that is on the steering wheel, and replace the steering wheel with a lightweight one.
Lightweight wheels and flywheel, thinner glass, titanium exhaust.
Retune for more power and quicker throttle response, remap the TCU for quicker shifts.
None of this requires a fundamental change to the car's structure like that of the GT3. Hell, I've done most of these things on cars myself. But all together, AM would be producing a lighter, sportier, and more raw version of an already ferocious car.
EDIT: Quick note... Saying "eliminate the steering wheel controls" doesn't seem like it'd make a difference in weight, but think of all the components associated with those controls. That all adds up quickly.
http://www.speedhunters.com/2013/08/...ins-gt3-racer/
What I could see AM doing is taking the Porsche/Ferrari route and stripping down a V12VS:
Replace all leather with alcantara or bare carbon.
One-piece carbon-shell seats on manual sliders, delete all seat controls.
Eliminate the nav.
Eliminate the sound system, but leave it as an option because I need my tunes damnit.
Take out the carpet, cargo divider, sound deadening, etc.
Eliminate cruise control and everything else that is on the steering wheel, and replace the steering wheel with a lightweight one.
Lightweight wheels and flywheel, thinner glass, titanium exhaust.
Retune for more power and quicker throttle response, remap the TCU for quicker shifts.
None of this requires a fundamental change to the car's structure like that of the GT3. Hell, I've done most of these things on cars myself. But all together, AM would be producing a lighter, sportier, and more raw version of an already ferocious car.
EDIT: Quick note... Saying "eliminate the steering wheel controls" doesn't seem like it'd make a difference in weight, but think of all the components associated with those controls. That all adds up quickly.
I'm just waiting on the project car deal to go through... (fingers crossed)
Every time I see this thread I think what you mean is Aston decided to put a proper gearbox in the V12VS and I get all excited. This is still exciting to hear but who knows if it will ever come to fruition.
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