Very strange steering vibration issue?
#1
Very strange steering vibration issue?
Just had some brand new front tyres put on Pirelli P0 Nero and I have a slight vibration to the steering the faster I get after about 65 mph.
The strange thing is when I am on some nice smooth tarmac the vibration is gone! This should rule out wheels or tyres since they would be a problem on any surface?
On normal tarmac I get the vibration. It changes depending on the road
Tyre pressures are good. Wheels are straight when inspected. Alignment done very recently. New tyres.
Im of the opinion that since the car feels fine on new tarmac that it could be suspension related since when its tested on normal tarmac it faulters. Being a 30,000 mile 2005 car still on the same shocks and bushes could these components be at fault? Maybe the bushes are worn due to age even if they have not been well used.
Or could it be wheel bearing, however this would be a problem on any tarmac... right?
The strange thing is when I am on some nice smooth tarmac the vibration is gone! This should rule out wheels or tyres since they would be a problem on any surface?
On normal tarmac I get the vibration. It changes depending on the road
Tyre pressures are good. Wheels are straight when inspected. Alignment done very recently. New tyres.
Im of the opinion that since the car feels fine on new tarmac that it could be suspension related since when its tested on normal tarmac it faulters. Being a 30,000 mile 2005 car still on the same shocks and bushes could these components be at fault? Maybe the bushes are worn due to age even if they have not been well used.
Or could it be wheel bearing, however this would be a problem on any tarmac... right?
Last edited by Vergis; 03-15-2014 at 03:55 AM.
#2
If the problem only appeared with the new tyres, then it's a wheel balance issue or a tyre problem. Check for any side wall bulges etc before driving the car again, if it's a bad tyre it could blow out on you.
#3
True actually , if it appeared with the new tyres then its more then likely tyres.
They were new tyres however one tyre had to have a 45g weight put on which I thought was a bit high for a new tyre.
#5
Got the tyre company to repace both front tyres with new tyres and the problem is worst! These tyres are fresh and physically inspected and balanced.
The wobble occures after 60 mph and increases with speed on any tarmac surface.
I have now changed the wheel bearings and the wobble is still there ( with electronic issues as an extra since the change ).
The brake disks are in good condition and pads are fine. The calipers have been serviced 2000 miles ago and no problem with them ever.
The bushes seem fine upon visual inspection.
Tracking is fine. The car drives straight.
The steering rack make a slight whining noise on full lock rarely. Could this be at fault?
I dont want to be constantly replacing parts and I am at a loss what else to do?
The wobble occures after 60 mph and increases with speed on any tarmac surface.
I have now changed the wheel bearings and the wobble is still there ( with electronic issues as an extra since the change ).
The brake disks are in good condition and pads are fine. The calipers have been serviced 2000 miles ago and no problem with them ever.
The bushes seem fine upon visual inspection.
Tracking is fine. The car drives straight.
The steering rack make a slight whining noise on full lock rarely. Could this be at fault?
I dont want to be constantly replacing parts and I am at a loss what else to do?
#7
take the tires to the shop and get re-balanced. this is a classic symptom. or they could also be an out of round tire. (with some major run out) more than likely, tire balance. 65mph is the critical point where this becomes a factor.
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#8
Just spent a good 10 minutes feeling the rotors.Not sure what the neighbours thought.
They are smooth both inside and out. However I think I can feel a very very slight unevenness from the the centre to the edge. Its very slight but probably enough to cause a problem. I certainly hope it is this.
The rotors have some meat on them. I would hazard a guess 40% left.
I think I will put some new rotors on. Im going to the Nurburgring in a few months time so I expect the brakes will be getting a good bit of use.
They are smooth both inside and out. However I think I can feel a very very slight unevenness from the the centre to the edge. Its very slight but probably enough to cause a problem. I certainly hope it is this.
The rotors have some meat on them. I would hazard a guess 40% left.
I think I will put some new rotors on. Im going to the Nurburgring in a few months time so I expect the brakes will be getting a good bit of use.
#10
I do use heavy braking a lot but always careful to make sure they cool down properly too. They could be warped even with this precaution? I am running EBC yellow pads which are brilliant! Either way I will probably change them since there isnt much else to change.
#11
nah.... if you heavy brake, you will feel the warping in the pedal .....very obvious!!
the vibration in the steering has to be balance of the wheels and tires. even though they are balanced.... do it again. just the fronts, check them out. Should be smooth as silk.
the vibration in the steering has to be balance of the wheels and tires. even though they are balanced.... do it again. just the fronts, check them out. Should be smooth as silk.
#12
The pads will wear until the material is clear of the excessive runout. However, with excessive runout there will also be pulsing in the brake pedal.
It is true that 99% of the time your symptoms are caused by out-of-balance, and/or out-of-round tires. Before you replace your rotors, you might want to get them professionally checked. No sense in replacing good parts.
Also, if you are getting the new tires from the same supplier, the issue may be with how they are storing them which may be causing them to be out-of-round. It could alo be a manufacturing defect in the tires that affects the "lot" of tires that were made at the same time.
Just thinking out loud.
Last edited by rscultho; 04-10-2014 at 06:09 PM.
#13
Yea, you cannot feel runout. Runout is the measurement of the movement from true vertical of the rotor as it turns. A warped rotor is the warping of the rotor surface but might not include any issue with the hub portion of the rotor. If runout is excessive it is possible to feel slight vibrations at higher speeds. I have experienced this myself.
The pads will wear until the material is clear of the excessive runout. However, with excessive runout there will also be pulsing in the brake pedal.
It is true that 99% of the time your symptoms are caused by out-of-balance, and/or out-of-round tires. Before you replace your rotors, you might want to get them professionally checked. No sense in replacing good parts.
Also, if you are getting the new tires from the same supplier, the issue may be with how they are storing them which may be causing them to be out-of-round. It could alo be a manufacturing defect in the tires that affects the "lot" of tires that were made at the same time.
Just thinking out loud.
The pads will wear until the material is clear of the excessive runout. However, with excessive runout there will also be pulsing in the brake pedal.
It is true that 99% of the time your symptoms are caused by out-of-balance, and/or out-of-round tires. Before you replace your rotors, you might want to get them professionally checked. No sense in replacing good parts.
Also, if you are getting the new tires from the same supplier, the issue may be with how they are storing them which may be causing them to be out-of-round. It could alo be a manufacturing defect in the tires that affects the "lot" of tires that were made at the same time.
Just thinking out loud.
The first set of tyres were from a different supplier but fitted with the same tyre shop. However he did store them for 2 months.
The second set had an out of round tyre and they were replaced.
The 3rd set are round when checked on the wheel balancer and still problem persists.
I may look into going to a totally different tyre shop and getting the tyre balance checked. And if nothing improved replace them at a different tyre shop.
#14
Yea, you cannot feel runout. Runout is the measurement of the movement from true vertical of the rotor as it turns. A warped rotor is the warping of the rotor surface but might not include any issue with the hub portion of the rotor. If runout is excessive it is possible to feel slight vibrations at higher speeds. I have experienced this myself.
The pads will wear until the material is clear of the excessive runout. However, with excessive runout there will also be pulsing in the brake pedal.
It is true that 99% of the time your symptoms are caused by out-of-balance, and/or out-of-round tires. Before you replace your rotors, you might want to get them professionally checked. No sense in replacing good parts.
Also, if you are getting the new tires from the same supplier, the issue may be with how they are storing them which may be causing them to be out-of-round. It could alo be a manufacturing defect in the tires that affects the "lot" of tires that were made at the same time.
Just thinking out loud.
The pads will wear until the material is clear of the excessive runout. However, with excessive runout there will also be pulsing in the brake pedal.
It is true that 99% of the time your symptoms are caused by out-of-balance, and/or out-of-round tires. Before you replace your rotors, you might want to get them professionally checked. No sense in replacing good parts.
Also, if you are getting the new tires from the same supplier, the issue may be with how they are storing them which may be causing them to be out-of-round. It could alo be a manufacturing defect in the tires that affects the "lot" of tires that were made at the same time.
Just thinking out loud.
If you have a vibration, its the tires balance or its runout.