http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/a...deo-2015-02-13

 

I don't know what it is but I want it.

 

Track only "Super Car". Perhaps twenty (20) will be built.

 

I was wondering what the Vulcan was and came to this forum specifically to find the answer.

Track car priced like the One-77?

 

I've seen a rumor here or there that this will be an extremely high-end hyper car (over $2 million USD) and will also mark the end of the V12. We shall see . . .

 

Saw the Vulcan up close and personal at NYIAS over the weekend.

The car you're seeing as actually the clay model. Was hoping to get a taste of the interior but it doesn't actually exist lol, there's nothing there. Honestly, it looks very much the same in person as it does in pics (which is rare, because usually a car looks better to me in person as pics often don't do a vehicle justice - that was definitely the case with the McLaren 570S, which is now on my short list). It's a wild car for sure, looking forward to seeing how the design translates to production road vehicles.





And a quick shout out to the Miller Motorcars staff working the Aston display. Had an awesome chat with Lisa, who was as wonderful as the cars.

 

570 is on my short list as well. Rumor has it Mclaren will introduce a long tail version of it next year like the did with the 650

 

I had a nice long chat with a product specialist named Peter that they brought out from Woking. The 675LT is substantially different than the 650S - McLaren's marketing department has said as much but haven't convinced anyone, it seems. Going over the differences with Peter made them seem night and day different, though they have a lot in common. I think the numbering scheme is misleading because 650 and 675 don't convey much difference in names based on a single metric.

I'll reach out to Peter and see if he'll say whether or not a 570-based LT is going to happen.

 

I asked about the 570LT:

"We are a long way off looking at producing something like that in terms of a lightweight edition. What I can tell you is that the next variant that will be coming in 2016 is neither a spider or a lightweight edition."

I read somewhere just yesterday that the 540C is supposed to be introduced soon-ish as an entry-level model, that might be what he's referring to.

And about the 570S Spyder:

"I know timeline is tentative, but I believe the convertible is expected to be released about a year after the coupe, so late 2016, early 2017."

The Spyder is the one I want. (I'll be keeping my V8V, so I'll still have a coupe with manual transmission!)

 

If they release the 570 spider a year after the release they will continue to route their owners.... McLaren's release schedule makes no sense. They keep screwing their owners by releasing new cars that are better than the previous. The 12C is going to be in V12V territory soon enough now that the 570 is out.

 

The 12C was a first foray into the market. The 650S and 570S are substantially different (and even the 675LT is substantially different than the 650S). McLaren's marketing just sucks at getting them differentiated in customers' minds.

McLaren isn't doing anything different than any other marque. They release the coupe and follow on with a convertible a year later. Ferrari did the same thing with the 458 and 458 Spyder - and the coupes suffered for it with pre-owned coupes plummeting in value as everyone wanted a spyder. The 12C is no longer being made. Their only real problem was unsold 12C inventory became relatively worthless when the 650S was released due to the relatively modest price difference compared to the difference in the two cars. As it stands, McLaren's lineup consists of the [upcoming] 570S, 650S, 675LT, and P1. There's a substantial jump between the 570S and 650S, and a massive one between the 650S and P1. The 675LT, for all intents and purposes, is a track-focused car (think 458 vs 458 Speciale).

Everyone I've talked to has used the 12C as the basis of their argument for McLaren's releases depreciating previous cars. But how's that different from any other car releasing a better version of a car when replacing an older one? The 12C is no longer made. It's relegated to the used car market and everything that goes with that.

Now to make things interesting, I asked if the next one coming out was the 540C:

"Yes, the 540C will be out in a couple of weeks. However we have another bodystyle coming and it is not a spider, watch this space."

 

Many owners of the 12c traded them in (at a big loss) to buy the spider when it first came out, so I think the strategy worked pretty well for Mclaren.

Car manufacturers need to keep bringing better, newer models out in order to make repeat sales. Can't really fault them for that.

Would love to have a 675LT or a 650LM but I would be willing to"settle" for an MSO 570S.

 

Does everyone else think early model 'Vette when looking at the photo of the sweeping hood?
Slightly reminiscent?

 

Telum01,

Your comparison of Ferrari's 458 to McLaren is not correct. 1st, the 458 prices didn't plummet. They were selling at MSRP or higher for years after they were released. 2nd, the spider didn't release a year later. It released 2 years later and was impossible to get for the first year with significant markups on the used market in the 2nd year. Ferrari did an excellent job of starving the market so the spider wouldn't affect the coupe.

And how do you figure McLaren is doing what every exotic manufacture does? Just look at their release of cars;

• 2011 MP4-12C released
• 2012 Rename MP4-12C to 12C and release the spider $229,000
• 2014 650S released $265,500
• 2015 675LT released $345,000
• 2015 570S released $185,000
• 2015 540C 160,000 estimated

How do you consider this normal? The MP4-12C owners were screwed by McLaren when they announced the spider and that they planned to produce 90% spiders (They literally told coupe owners that there was no demand for their car). Then the 12C owners were screwed by the 650S not even 2 years later. I don't recall any exotic doing this recently except Aston with the Virage (which I feel terrible for the original Virage buyers).

With all that said, I really want a McLaren but I most likely won't get one till they stabilize and keep a model line going for a few years before revising it. They are way to chaotic and their cars depreciation is proof of it.

 

When I looked into the 458, the coupes weren't moving because demand was primarily for spiders. Maybe they weren't listed for a lower price, but it gave buyers room to negotiate.

The 540C is the one I don't get. That's way too close to the 570S with differences that most buyers won't care about. Only 30 less HP (at that level, who can tell?), cast wheels instead of forged... But the suspension on the 570S is already traditional (not the hydraulic system on the 12C and 650S) so that can't be much different on the 540C. All of the carbon fiber on the 570S is optional extra, so there can't be a big difference there on the 540C.

Found this:
http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2015/4/2...arket-7726238/

And with this I'll agree with you and sit back to watch whatever it is McLaren is doing:
"That should help it reach its goal of introducing a new model or variant each year until 2023 and beyond."

And yeah, the Virage was a misstep for Aston lol. That car had no purpose.