Who sells the best ECU upgrade ?
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Why does it cost so much to flash the ecu"s
A new Bosch ecu at the dealer are 500-600 each, so aprox 1200 for 2 brand new oem ecu
These guys want like 2k for a flash, Whatsup with that, I understand the dyno time , hours of labour to develop etc etc , but still sounds pricey over 2k for a software flash
A new Bosch ecu at the dealer are 500-600 each, so aprox 1200 for 2 brand new oem ecu
These guys want like 2k for a flash, Whatsup with that, I understand the dyno time , hours of labour to develop etc etc , but still sounds pricey over 2k for a software flash
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In terms of power, we are able to make around 80 wheel horsepower and 92 wheel torque on 91 octane fuel, with no additional modifications. We have been working with Volkswagen/Audi platforms for over 20 years, and you will find that our reliability will speak for itself.
As far as I know, we are the only tuner for Bentley that has been offered as an OEM power kit upgrade (at a much higher price than we sell for). Additionally, we are the only company who offers on-the-fly program switching for the Bentley platform. You can only do this by modifying the ECU code, as simply map flashing the vehicle (as is common practice) limits what you can do.
If you have any specific questions, please feel free to shoot me a PM.
As far as I know, we are the only tuner for Bentley that has been offered as an OEM power kit upgrade (at a much higher price than we sell for). Additionally, we are the only company who offers on-the-fly program switching for the Bentley platform. You can only do this by modifying the ECU code, as simply map flashing the vehicle (as is common practice) limits what you can do.
If you have any specific questions, please feel free to shoot me a PM.
Thanks for your detailed response. Questions :
1) Is the above noted increases on a continental gt or a gt speed ?
2) Would you please expand on how your " on the fly switch" works ? ( And is there a kill switch in there ? If not could it be added )
3) Is your upgrade/programming detectable by the dealer ? ( warranty issues )
Please advise. Thanks again.
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Hello, I for one would be thrilled if someone from the tuners ( Thomas?) would/could give me a thorough technical understanding about how -on what bases- they determine goals and achieve results in the tunes.
most tuners give a different result in torque and Hp, depending on the origin of the car-ECU (GT-Speed-SS). GIAC for one has one result for all variants. Also GIAC mention on the website that they raised the turbopressure in the mid and high rev's from 'X' to 'Y' ( and the injection-ttiming maps). And using a more agressive ignition-timing in the 100+ octanes. Don't know what else, like blocking the EGR, they do.
Other tuners stay hush hush about how they achieve their results.
And everyone seems to be getting near close the same Tq/Hp.
It seems that most tuners have some rule of thumb in their tuning-results, for example baseTq/HP + 20%.
On what is this rule based??
Altough I have tuned most of my other cars, I've stayed away from tuning the GTC untill someone can give me proper understanding on what grounds they have determined their tuning. Like how they figure out what TQ the tranny can safely bear.
For the old 6-gear a max Tq of 650Nm is quoted by the manufacturer. However bentley itself claims to generate more than that in the Speed (and 2010 SS). I've looked up the differences in transmission parts between GT and Speed and the only different thing is the Mechatronics.
Torque-convertor is the same for GT and Speed ( don't recall for 2010 SS ).
At first I had the idea to just swap to the OEM Bentley-ECU for Speed or SS. My dealer advised against that because 'it would mess up other settings of the car' and suggested I'd go t an independent tuner. They did not suggest anyone however. Thomas stated that GIAC is/has been an OEM option for tuning package. If he can show me the Bentley-info on that he may do my car.
most tuners give a different result in torque and Hp, depending on the origin of the car-ECU (GT-Speed-SS). GIAC for one has one result for all variants. Also GIAC mention on the website that they raised the turbopressure in the mid and high rev's from 'X' to 'Y' ( and the injection-ttiming maps). And using a more agressive ignition-timing in the 100+ octanes. Don't know what else, like blocking the EGR, they do.
Other tuners stay hush hush about how they achieve their results.
And everyone seems to be getting near close the same Tq/Hp.
It seems that most tuners have some rule of thumb in their tuning-results, for example baseTq/HP + 20%.
On what is this rule based??
Altough I have tuned most of my other cars, I've stayed away from tuning the GTC untill someone can give me proper understanding on what grounds they have determined their tuning. Like how they figure out what TQ the tranny can safely bear.
For the old 6-gear a max Tq of 650Nm is quoted by the manufacturer. However bentley itself claims to generate more than that in the Speed (and 2010 SS). I've looked up the differences in transmission parts between GT and Speed and the only different thing is the Mechatronics.
Torque-convertor is the same for GT and Speed ( don't recall for 2010 SS ).
At first I had the idea to just swap to the OEM Bentley-ECU for Speed or SS. My dealer advised against that because 'it would mess up other settings of the car' and suggested I'd go t an independent tuner. They did not suggest anyone however. Thomas stated that GIAC is/has been an OEM option for tuning package. If he can show me the Bentley-info on that he may do my car.
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Tom,
Thanks for your detailed response. Questions :
1) Is the above noted increases on a continental gt or a gt speed ?
2) Would you please expand on how your " on the fly switch" works ? ( And is there a kill switch in there ? If not could it be added )
3) Is your upgrade/programming detectable by the dealer ? ( warranty issues )
Please advise. Thanks again.
Thanks for your detailed response. Questions :
1) Is the above noted increases on a continental gt or a gt speed ?
2) Would you please expand on how your " on the fly switch" works ? ( And is there a kill switch in there ? If not could it be added )
3) Is your upgrade/programming detectable by the dealer ? ( warranty issues )
Please advise. Thanks again.
1) This dyno was on a Continental GT. If you look at a dyno plot of the GT Speed, it actually isn't much different. There is a small hump on the dyno plot, which gives it the higher peak number. We call it a pimple
. In terms of the powerband as a whole, the numbers are largely the same between the GT and the Speed. As such, you will feel a very large difference with GIAC software on the GT Speed.2) When we flash the ECU, you have the option of loading multiple files onto the ECU(s). I am not referring to a flashing device with different maps, as we actually load separate programs onto the ECU with the single flash. These files include stock, pump gas performance, race gas performance (on certain models), valet mode and kill mode (an immobilizer). All of these programs can be accessed and switched between using the "Flash Loader" controller. This device plugs into your OBDII port and has buttons corresponding to each possible file. By pressing a button, you instantly switch to the requested file. This occurs literally at the press of a button. A light will illuminate on the controller to let you know which mode you are in. Once you have selected a mode and are satisfied with it, you can unplug the controller and store it away. The ECU will remain on the file you selected until you change it.
The Flash Loader controller is merely a switching device, as each program (stock, pump, etc.) is loaded onto your ECU. Our ability to rewrite the factory ECU code allows this to be possible.
3) The Bosch ECU in the Continental GT and Speed does not support flash detection. The only way a dealer would be able to raise concern is if there is a visible difference, of which there is none due to the fact that the car is programmed through the OBDII port.
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Hello, I for one would be thrilled if someone from the tuners ( Thomas?) would/could give me a thorough technical understanding about how -on what bases- they determine goals and achieve results in the tunes.
most tuners give a different result in torque and Hp, depending on the origin of the car-ECU (GT-Speed-SS). GIAC for one has one result for all variants. Also GIAC mention on the website that they raised the turbopressure in the mid and high rev's from 'X' to 'Y' ( and the injection-ttiming maps). And using a more agressive ignition-timing in the 100+ octanes. Don't know what else, like blocking the EGR, they do.
Other tuners stay hush hush about how they achieve their results.
And everyone seems to be getting near close the same Tq/Hp.
It seems that most tuners have some rule of thumb in their tuning-results, for example baseTq/HP + 20%.
On what is this rule based??
Altough I have tuned most of my other cars, I've stayed away from tuning the GTC untill someone can give me proper understanding on what grounds they have determined their tuning. Like how they figure out what TQ the tranny can safely bear.
For the old 6-gear a max Tq of 650Nm is quoted by the manufacturer. However bentley itself claims to generate more than that in the Speed (and 2010 SS). I've looked up the differences in transmission parts between GT and Speed and the only different thing is the Mechatronics.
Torque-convertor is the same for GT and Speed ( don't recall for 2010 SS ).
At first I had the idea to just swap to the OEM Bentley-ECU for Speed or SS. My dealer advised against that because 'it would mess up other settings of the car' and suggested I'd go t an independent tuner. They did not suggest anyone however. Thomas stated that GIAC is/has been an OEM option for tuning package. If he can show me the Bentley-info on that he may do my car.
most tuners give a different result in torque and Hp, depending on the origin of the car-ECU (GT-Speed-SS). GIAC for one has one result for all variants. Also GIAC mention on the website that they raised the turbopressure in the mid and high rev's from 'X' to 'Y' ( and the injection-ttiming maps). And using a more agressive ignition-timing in the 100+ octanes. Don't know what else, like blocking the EGR, they do.
Other tuners stay hush hush about how they achieve their results.
And everyone seems to be getting near close the same Tq/Hp.
It seems that most tuners have some rule of thumb in their tuning-results, for example baseTq/HP + 20%.
On what is this rule based??
Altough I have tuned most of my other cars, I've stayed away from tuning the GTC untill someone can give me proper understanding on what grounds they have determined their tuning. Like how they figure out what TQ the tranny can safely bear.
For the old 6-gear a max Tq of 650Nm is quoted by the manufacturer. However bentley itself claims to generate more than that in the Speed (and 2010 SS). I've looked up the differences in transmission parts between GT and Speed and the only different thing is the Mechatronics.
Torque-convertor is the same for GT and Speed ( don't recall for 2010 SS ).
At first I had the idea to just swap to the OEM Bentley-ECU for Speed or SS. My dealer advised against that because 'it would mess up other settings of the car' and suggested I'd go t an independent tuner. They did not suggest anyone however. Thomas stated that GIAC is/has been an OEM option for tuning package. If he can show me the Bentley-info on that he may do my car.
There is a lot more that goes into making the car faster than changing boost and timing. Anyone who has ever looked into a Bosch or similar ECU will find a bunch of jumbled up German code with little direction as to what it corresponds to. Most companies will buy pre-made flashing tools that make this process somewhat easier, although providing limited access to the ECU. By making our own flashing tools in-house, we have full access to not just the maps in the ECU, but the factory code. This allows us to remap everything from performance to drivability, as well as write custom code that allows functions such as file switching.
Regarding transmission torque ratings, companies like ZF are extremely conservative in their ratings. Typically the rating given is for a 100% reliability rate at unlimited miles. You will frequently see power output doubling such ratings, with no issues.
Our Bentley software was previously carried by a local Bentley dealer and sold as a performance package. Based on what they charged, our price is a bargain
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To answer your questions:
1) This dyno was on a Continental GT. If you look at a dyno plot of the GT Speed, it actually isn't much different. There is a small hump on the dyno plot, which gives it the higher peak number. We call it a pimple. In terms of the powerband as a whole, the numbers are largely the same between the GT and the Speed. As such, you will feel a very large difference with GIAC software on the GT Speed.
2) When we flash the ECU, you have the option of loading multiple files onto the ECU(s). I am not referring to a flashing device with different maps, as we actually load separate programs onto the ECU with the single flash. These files include stock, pump gas performance, race gas performance (on certain models), valet mode and kill mode (an immobilizer). All of these programs can be accessed and switched between using the "Flash Loader" controller. This device plugs into your OBDII port and has buttons corresponding to each possible file. By pressing a button, you instantly switch to the requested file. This occurs literally at the press of a button. A light will illuminate on the controller to let you know which mode you are in. Once you have selected a mode and are satisfied with it, you can unplug the controller and store it away. The ECU will remain on the file you selected until you change it.
The Flash Loader controller is merely a switching device, as each program (stock, pump, etc.) is loaded onto your ECU. Our ability to rewrite the factory ECU code allows this to be possible.
3) The Bosch ECU in the Continental GT and Speed does not support flash detection. The only way a dealer would be able to raise concern is if there is a visible difference, of which there is none due to the fact that the car is programmed through the OBDII port.
1) This dyno was on a Continental GT. If you look at a dyno plot of the GT Speed, it actually isn't much different. There is a small hump on the dyno plot, which gives it the higher peak number. We call it a pimple
. In terms of the powerband as a whole, the numbers are largely the same between the GT and the Speed. As such, you will feel a very large difference with GIAC software on the GT Speed.2) When we flash the ECU, you have the option of loading multiple files onto the ECU(s). I am not referring to a flashing device with different maps, as we actually load separate programs onto the ECU with the single flash. These files include stock, pump gas performance, race gas performance (on certain models), valet mode and kill mode (an immobilizer). All of these programs can be accessed and switched between using the "Flash Loader" controller. This device plugs into your OBDII port and has buttons corresponding to each possible file. By pressing a button, you instantly switch to the requested file. This occurs literally at the press of a button. A light will illuminate on the controller to let you know which mode you are in. Once you have selected a mode and are satisfied with it, you can unplug the controller and store it away. The ECU will remain on the file you selected until you change it.
The Flash Loader controller is merely a switching device, as each program (stock, pump, etc.) is loaded onto your ECU. Our ability to rewrite the factory ECU code allows this to be possible.
3) The Bosch ECU in the Continental GT and Speed does not support flash detection. The only way a dealer would be able to raise concern is if there is a visible difference, of which there is none due to the fact that the car is programmed through the OBDII port.
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Hi Thomas,
thanks for your reply
I'm considering to participate 'the groupbuy' also. Would be for stock & pump-gas program (I only drive 93 oct - here thats 98RON)
However my ecu's are European 07C906018GQ coded (euro04; 'no underfloor cats). These do not show up in the GIAC list as 'tunable' ECu's.
Can you get back to me about this?
Also: is the EGR blocked?
christian
thanks for your reply
I'm considering to participate 'the groupbuy' also. Would be for stock & pump-gas program (I only drive 93 oct - here thats 98RON)
However my ecu's are European 07C906018GQ coded (euro04; 'no underfloor cats). These do not show up in the GIAC list as 'tunable' ECu's.
Can you get back to me about this?
Also: is the EGR blocked?
christian