Originally Posted by ltng

if you're doing that much track time, buy a lotus.

Originally Posted by stuka

I have had three M3's, and I have zero interest in this one.

3600 pounds? Why? For what?

Single piston caliper brakes that fades after one session of tracking? Laughable especially since the 135 has better brakes than this sorry car.

The E36 was great because it was nimble, with great handling, and reasonably quick.

The E46 was great because it finally had some power without gaining severe amount of weight.

3600 pounds means that it is no longer a sports sedan, but a GT like everybody else. There is no longer anything special about the M3.

A sad day really. I had hoped that it would come with 400HP in a 3400 pound package like the E46 M3, and this time, with real brakes.

I don't know why anyone would get this sorry car over a nicely kept 2002 996 Turbo 6 speed.

Originally Posted by stuka

I went from the E46 M3 to a 996 Turbo. They weigh the same.

Warranty? That's the most laughable thing I have ever heard.

I had my M3 for less than two years with about 20 track days. The engine was replaced under warranty, so was the diff, so was the drive shaft, the guibo, and a host of other little things.

My Turbo had the same amount of mileage and track days, and it spent less than three days at the shop the whole 28K miles I had it. And one was for the scheduled oil change.

This M3 is nur optik. Who gives a scheiße about CF roof when the damn thing weighs 3600 pounds? How about spending that R&D on actually making the car lighter instead of this ricer bling?

Originally Posted by CURI0

This whining about the weight is ridiculous. My E46 M3 weighed 3500 with SMG. You really think YOU are going to be able to tell the difference between a car with 3500 pounds and 3600 pounds? I doubt it. And while getting caught up in the discussion of weight, the new motor is actually lighter anyway.

Originally Posted by stuka

Here we go, another BMW apologist.

Mine had three options, xenon and SMG, and it weighed in at less than 3400. Must be that powered cupholder, eh?

And why is it ridiculous? What is ridiculous is the fact that for 65K the car still comes without brakes, but hey, because it's got a roundel it must be god's gift to the motoring world, right?

Originally Posted by CURI0

Maybe the problem isn't the M3, sounds like its you.

Originally Posted by stuka

Owww, somebody insulted your precious little M3 that you had to get personal?

3600 pounds is 3600 pounds, crappy brakes is crappy brakes. Just because it has a roundel on it doesn't make it less so.

A 3500 pound E46 M3, wow, let me guess, premium, NAV, subwoofer form the HK, SMG, power seats, bling bling sunroof, did I miss anything?

I can tell when my fuel tank is low in both the GT2 and the E30, and I sure as hell was able to tell the weight difference when in the E46 M3, perhaps YOU could not?

Originally Posted by CURI0

I'm curious, how much time have you spent with the new M3? You have had it on the track? Oh man, I am sure it will feel like a slouch next to that featherweight 3400 pound E46. I remember deluded individuals complaining about the weight when the E46 M3 came out. Funny, they were all E36 owners.

The car is priced VERY damn well. If you actually knew about the pricing the rest of the world has you would be on your knees in front of BMWNA. Maybe in between your crying sessions you could do a google search?

Originally Posted by CURI0

I would not pretend to know the difference between when the fuel tank was full or empty in the M3. No one needs a dyno anymore, they just need to stick your *** in the seat and you will be able to tell them how many gallons of fuel they have, how much hp they are putting out the wheels, and how much window washer fluid is left.

Originally Posted by stuka

I don't need to drive a Lincoln Navigator to know that it drives like scheiße. I don't need to drive a 3600 pound car with no brakes to know that it will not be fun on the track.

Trust me, I know more about being an expat than you can imagine, so spare me the "but! but! it's so cheap here" drivel. At 65K, there are others that are more interesting, faster, and more reliable cars out there.

So, how many M3's have you owned? and how many miles have you put in each? Since you seems to be such a knowledgeable defender of all things Bay Em Vay?

Originally Posted by stuka

If you can't tell the difference between a full tank E46 M3 and one with a quarter tank, perhaps you should spend more time on the track?

So, how many M3's have you had? How many days on the track with the E46?

And lastly, do you wear out the rear pads faster than the fronts?