Is the cayman GTS worth it?
[QUOTE=speedsterr;4079227]So I am looking into getting the cayman GTS but as I option it, it comes around to 102k. I am wondering how is the value for that? Also how do the GTS depreciate? I can get around 7-8k off on the car so that helps a bit to drop it to the 94-95k range.
On the resale lot the 'value' is tough to highlight the gts over say a c4s. The desirable ride will somewhat set a price but having a car sit for three months is expensive for the dealers. In Feb. of '10 I saw the new c4s I eventually bought awaiting a home but the dealer wanted over $105k for the sticker of $112k. I picked up this car in July '10 for less then I can say, but well below $90k. The market conditions allowed my deal. Today these deals just don't exist but the point is that there are only so many pcar buyers. The gts badge on a Cayman may make it slightly more interesting when you go to sell. The care you give the car will have a bigger affect of the price.
Take a look at CARS.com and you'll see the 911 gts discounted from the sticker by +/- $25 to $30k but with 10k miles. Then study the same for a c4s, the depreciation is nearly identical. As 'special' as they look on the showroom floor the actual used sale price can distort the original msrp. If you're really using the Cayman gts ride for say two years until you go for a 911, why wait, get focused on the 911 gts with a 100k warranty.
On the resale lot the 'value' is tough to highlight the gts over say a c4s. The desirable ride will somewhat set a price but having a car sit for three months is expensive for the dealers. In Feb. of '10 I saw the new c4s I eventually bought awaiting a home but the dealer wanted over $105k for the sticker of $112k. I picked up this car in July '10 for less then I can say, but well below $90k. The market conditions allowed my deal. Today these deals just don't exist but the point is that there are only so many pcar buyers. The gts badge on a Cayman may make it slightly more interesting when you go to sell. The care you give the car will have a bigger affect of the price.
Take a look at CARS.com and you'll see the 911 gts discounted from the sticker by +/- $25 to $30k but with 10k miles. Then study the same for a c4s, the depreciation is nearly identical. As 'special' as they look on the showroom floor the actual used sale price can distort the original msrp. If you're really using the Cayman gts ride for say two years until you go for a 911, why wait, get focused on the 911 gts with a 100k warranty.
$102K is kinda steep for a Cayman. Understand its apples and oranges, but you could get a well optioned, low mileage CPO'd 2012 997 GTS for that money if not less. Guessing the C7 Z06 will be south of that number as well. Hell you could possibly get an old F430 for a few dollars more. Again, I know its apples/oranges but I tend to equate value relative to comparable purchases and you have a lot of options at that number. Personally, I just can't get my head around high dollar new car purchase and the huge depreciation hits they suffer. That and knowing Porsche is notorious for charging out they @ss for the smallest of options make that number difficult to swallow. Not liquid enough yet not to care.
I looked into the zo6 but I had a zr1 I sold and i just don't use all that power. And the porsche even a boxster feels way better and the interior quality, fit and finish, etc are just way better than anything american and most German. So I don't really care to have a corvette again.
Every car will depreciate but again I mean value if something is worth it. Like for that base stingray nothing can touch it not just in performance but quality and technology for the price. Is the cayman or boxster GTS this? I think maybe. I mean a competitor would be a GTR or a used C2S perhaps? But the GTR has a horrible interior and just not as nice while the performance is insane. And the C2s may be a base boring run of the mill C2S and if I will drop above 100k on a car or close to it, it can't be boring.
I can just buy an RS 5 at that point and save myself 30k.
[QUOTE=LPpfs997;4080839]
I would probably maybe keep it 3-4 years. But Idk. I said i'd keep my zr1 for 7 years and sold it after 1 lol. I just got bored of it and honestly got annoyed of shifting every day. It would have been better to not use it as a DD most likely.
I would most definitely prefer a used 911 but the problem is all the used ones I find are so boringly optioned. If I go on cars.com and look at say a turbo from this year used you will see they have hardly any options. It's like people buy porsche to say they have a porsche then get rid of them 5 months later so they get a bare bones one. The people who option them out seem to keep them long term.
So I am looking into getting the cayman GTS but as I option it, it comes around to 102k. I am wondering how is the value for that? Also how do the GTS depreciate? I can get around 7-8k off on the car so that helps a bit to drop it to the 94-95k range.
On the resale lot the 'value' is tough to highlight the gts over say a c4s. The desirable ride will somewhat set a price but having a car sit for three months is expensive for the dealers. In Feb. of '10 I saw the new c4s I eventually bought awaiting a home but the dealer wanted over $105k for the sticker of $112k. I picked up this car in July '10 for less then I can say, but well below $90k. The market conditions allowed my deal. Today these deals just don't exist but the point is that there are only so many pcar buyers. The gts badge on a Cayman may make it slightly more interesting when you go to sell. The care you give the car will have a bigger affect of the price.
Take a look at CARS.com and you'll see the 911 gts discounted from the sticker by +/- $25 to $30k but with 10k miles. Then study the same for a c4s, the depreciation is nearly identical. As 'special' as they look on the showroom floor the actual used sale price can distort the original msrp. If you're really using the Cayman gts ride for say two years until you go for a 911, why wait, get focused on the 911 gts with a 100k warranty.
On the resale lot the 'value' is tough to highlight the gts over say a c4s. The desirable ride will somewhat set a price but having a car sit for three months is expensive for the dealers. In Feb. of '10 I saw the new c4s I eventually bought awaiting a home but the dealer wanted over $105k for the sticker of $112k. I picked up this car in July '10 for less then I can say, but well below $90k. The market conditions allowed my deal. Today these deals just don't exist but the point is that there are only so many pcar buyers. The gts badge on a Cayman may make it slightly more interesting when you go to sell. The care you give the car will have a bigger affect of the price.
Take a look at CARS.com and you'll see the 911 gts discounted from the sticker by +/- $25 to $30k but with 10k miles. Then study the same for a c4s, the depreciation is nearly identical. As 'special' as they look on the showroom floor the actual used sale price can distort the original msrp. If you're really using the Cayman gts ride for say two years until you go for a 911, why wait, get focused on the 911 gts with a 100k warranty.
I would most definitely prefer a used 911 but the problem is all the used ones I find are so boringly optioned. If I go on cars.com and look at say a turbo from this year used you will see they have hardly any options. It's like people buy porsche to say they have a porsche then get rid of them 5 months later so they get a bare bones one. The people who option them out seem to keep them long term.
[QUOTE=speedsterr;4080915]
Hear you. I thought I own my Z06 for a while and it was gone the following year for a 997 C2S. Wasn't about power but refinement. RE: options on 997, keep in mind that a lot of these cars were spec'd by the dealer and we're not necessarily customer choices. But if they're bare bones it was probably customer spec'd.
I would most definitely prefer a used 911 but the problem is all the used ones I find are so boringly optioned. If I go on cars.com and look at say a turbo from this year used you will see they have hardly any options. It's like people buy porsche to say they have a porsche then get rid of them 5 months later so they get a bare bones one. The people who option them out seem to keep them long term.
Crazy non-value imho is a c2 w/o the 's', especially @ $112k. you'll be in the showroom trade in 12 to 18 months, but at a good lose.
Decided to go with C2S if I could find a CPOed with most of the options I want. If not then I will just buy new.
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