Experts of these vehicles. Need help with purchasing first Cayenne.

Old Aug 11, 2016 | 09:33 AM
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Experts of these vehicles. Need help with purchasing first Cayenne.

I'm currently in the market for purchasing a Porsche Cayenne CPO. Nothing fancy. Just looking to get the base Cayenne as a daily driver and looking to see the best deal. Have been looking nationwide with the help of CarGurus. Missed a local deal earlier this week for a '15 Cayenne with 748 miles for $54k.

I've come across a dealership that has two Cayenne's for sale. Both are 2016, however one has 2,000 miles less and the dealers is asking $8k more for the vehicle. I called them up and spoke to the sales manager but he sounded annoyed by my questions and was rushing to get me off the phone.

I was wondering if these options justify the more expensive Cayenne to be $8k more expensive. Taken directly from the website:

1 Owner! Only 4,307 Miles Locally Owned! Clean CarFax! This Cayenne Has Less Than 5K Miles And Comes With An Additional Certified 2 Years To The Warranty Granting Coverage Until 12/24/2021 Or 100K Miles! This Cayenne Is Equipped With $13,460 In Options! - Cayenne 58,300.00 - Deletion of Model Designation 0.00 - Trailer hitch without tow ball 0.00 - Electric Slide/Tilt Moonroof 0.00 - Roof Rails in Black 0.00 - Seat Heating (Front) 0.00 - Seat Ventilation (Front) 0.00 - Lane Change Assist (LCA) 0.00 - Meteor Grey Metallic 0.00 - 19 Cayenne Design II Wheels 0.00 - 8-speed Tiptronic S 0.00 - Standard Interior in Black 0.00 - Power Seats (14-way) with Memory Package 0.00 - Premium Package 0.00 - Exterior Package in Black (High-Gloss) 0.00 - SiriusXMA' Satellite Radio 0.00 - Total Options 0.00 - Total Charges 995.00 - Total Order 59,295.00 -
Link: http://www.porscheofnaples.com/used-...AA2A23GKA11276

The price is listed on special as $63,500. What does the total order of $59,295 mean?

The cheaper Cayenne with 2k more miles has the following options and is listed for $55,150:

Just 6321 Miles! This 2016 Cayenne Tiptronic Is Slightly Used with $6,045 in Options Included! This vehicle was an Executive Demo with No accidents/damage, Not Smoked In, and Service Up-To-Date! This Porsche is as smooth a ride as you can ask for and extremely comfortable. There is plenty of leg room in the back to fit the Big and Tall and plenty of air flow to keep all passengers at there max comfort level whether you are just going down the street or driving across the country. With this 2016 Cayenne you are getting a Used Porsche With Just 6,321 miles with the Certified Porsche Warranty good up to 11/02/2021 or 100K miles! And you know that when you buy from Porsche of Naples, our vehicle has been taken care of the way a Porsche needs from a staff who is passionate to the nth degree about every vehicle we have the pleasure of servicing and maintaining! -Cayenne 58,300.00 -Jet Black Metallic 790.00 -Standard Interior in Luxor Beige 0.00 -Power Steering Plus 290.00 -Wheel Center Caps with Colored Porsche Crest 185.00 -Porsche Entry & Drive 890.00 -ParkAssist (Front and Rear) with Reversing Camera 1,750.00 -Lane Change Assist (LCA) 850.00 -Exterior Package in Black (High-Gloss) 150.00 -SiriusXM Satellite Radio 750.00 -18 Cayenne S wheel 390.00 -Total Retail Vehicle Price 64,345.00 -Destination Charge 995.00 -Total Retail Price 65,340.00 -
Link: http://www.porscheofnaples.com/used-...AA2A28GLA11302
 
Old Aug 11, 2016 | 10:23 AM
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The first one is better equipped, has a better warranty (Porsche CPO is great) and lower miles than the 2nd one. It's $8k more than the 2nd one. Only you can say if this is worth it to you.. but the CPO right away is worth $2,000+. Heated/ventilated seats - the ventilated will be very nice in steamy Florida.

You'll have to ask them about the discrepancy in price.. between total order and their asking price.
 
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The first one is better equipped, has a better warranty (Porsche CPO is great) and lower miles than the 2nd one. It's $8k more than the 2nd one. Only you can say if this is worth it to you.. but the CPO right away is worth $2,000+. Heated/ventilated seats - the ventilated will be very nice in steamy Florida.

You'll have to ask them about the discrepancy in price.. between total order and their asking price.
Thank you Don for the response. Comparing the two vehicles it seems that the extra $8k is for:

- Almost 2 months of additional extra warranty
- 19" wheels
- Ventilated seats
- Electronic slide/tilt moonroof
- premium package which includes: [PA2] Automatically Dimming Rear View Mirrors with Memory Package; [8EA] Bi-Xenon™ Headlights with Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS); [7X8] ParkAssist (Front and Rear) with Reversing Camera; [658] Power Steering Plus; [4D3] Seat Ventilation Front

I do agree the ventilated seats are great to have during the summer months, but an extra $8k just seems iffy.
 
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Perhaps, but the addition of ParkAssist, the Reversing Camera and the Bi-Xenon headlight with PDLS make the $8k easier to stomach.
 
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Perhaps, but the addition of ParkAssist, the Reversing Camera and the Bi-Xenon headlight with PDLS make the $8k easier to stomach.
Went and test drove a 2014 Base Cayenne today. The vehicle did have the park assist, reversing camera, heated/ventilated seats. Great vehicle. I felt the vehicle was just amazing. Extremely grounded to the vehicle, great response in sport mode suspension, and felt like driving a tank with several superchargers attached to it.

I can't fathom how amazing it must be to drive a Turbo, GTS, or one of the more powerful versions of this SUV.

Since we're getting rid of a Lexus RX350 (2013), I couldn't help but notice how much smaller the Cayenne is compared to the Lexus. The cargo volume of the Cayenne is 23.66cu ft whereas in the RX it's 40cu ft. Same can be said about the rear leg room with the former being smaller compared to the latter.

Have you ever thought/noticed that the cabin space is smaller in the Cayenne? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big guy or anything, only 5'8.
 
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Originally Posted by Glutamine
Went and test drove a 2014 Base Cayenne today. The vehicle did have the park assist, reversing camera, heated/ventilated seats. Great vehicle. I felt the vehicle was just amazing. Extremely grounded to the vehicle, great response in sport mode suspension, and felt like driving a tank with several superchargers attached to it.

I can't fathom how amazing it must be to drive a Turbo, GTS, or one of the more powerful versions of this SUV.

Since we're getting rid of a Lexus RX350 (2013), I couldn't help but notice how much smaller the Cayenne is compared to the Lexus. The cargo volume of the Cayenne is 23.66cu ft whereas in the RX it's 40cu ft. Same can be said about the rear leg room with the former being smaller compared to the latter.

Have you ever thought/noticed that the cabin space is smaller in the Cayenne? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big guy or anything, only 5'8.
We own both. I suspect the difference in the cargo compartment cubic-feet measurement is actually a difference in measurement techniques. The Cayenne is slightly smaller then the RX350 - but not a lot smaller. Or - the Cayenne measurement was made with the cargo-cover in place, and the RX measurement with their cargo cover removed. We use the same suitcases and travel bags in both vehicles and I curse every time that they're too damn much.. but they are the same.

As far as back seat? No comparison.

With the Cayenne front seats up a bit high you have a vast amount of tootsie room UNDER the seat in the Cayenne. You can almost cross your feet. And if you're 5'8" the front seat will be pretty far forward or your feet won't reach the pedals. Put the steering wheel all the way forward and it positions you in a very comfortable position that leaves plenty of knee room in the rear.

You do know the rear seats move forward/backward too right? Not just tilt like the RX - they move to make more foot room if you need it. Lever is right under the middle of the seat cushion forward edge.

Having both - the '11 CTT is my go-trip vehicle usually. I find it much easier and less tiring (and WAY less boring) to drive than the RX350. The only plus the RX350 has over the CTT is - it's the most reliable vehicle on earth, which is why my wife has it. She values that for some reason.. (I think it might have something to do with the number of flat-bed trips her BMW Touring took..)

Just looked it up...

Cayenne - 191″ L x 79″ W x 67″ H
RX350 - 192.5" L x 74.6"W x 67.7"

Not a bunch of difference there.

Where there is a difference:

Cayenne - 114" wheelbase
Lexus - 109.8" wheelbase

I didn't look up weight balance, but the Lexus IS a front wheel drive platform with added on "4-wheel".. the Cayenne was built as a full-time 4-wheel drive system with the power primarily going to the rear wheels for better handling dynamics. There is no comparison on performance or handling.

Cayenne Burmeister audio is superb, 18 way sports seats are so much better than the Lexus, and the seat ventilation actually blows cooled air at you, not just recycled cabin air. Plus the build quality (look, feel) makes it obvious that the Lexus - while nice - was built by Toyota.

BTW - you really owe it to yourself to try the turbo.. heh, heh...
 

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We own both. I suspect the difference in the cargo compartment cubic-feet measurement is actually a difference in measurement techniques. The Cayenne is slightly smaller then the RX350 - but not a lot smaller. Or - the Cayenne measurement was made with the cargo-cover in place, and the RX measurement with their cargo cover removed. We use the same suitcases and travel bags in both vehicles and I curse every time that they're too damn much.. but they are the same.

As far as back seat? No comparison.

With the Cayenne front seats up a bit high you have a vast amount of tootsie room UNDER the seat in the Cayenne. You can almost cross your feet. And if you're 5'8" the front seat will be pretty far forward or your feet won't reach the pedals. Put the steering wheel all the way forward and it positions you in a very comfortable position that leaves plenty of knee room in the rear.

You do know the rear seats move forward/backward too right? Not just tilt like the RX - they move to make more foot room if you need it. Lever is right under the middle of the seat cushion forward edge.

Having both - the '11 CTT is my go-trip vehicle usually. I find it much easier and less tiring (and WAY less boring) to drive than the RX350. The only plus the RX350 has over the CTT is - it's the most reliable vehicle on earth, which is why my wife has it. She values that for some reason.. (I think it might have something to do with the number of flat-bed trips her BMW Touring took..)

Just looked it up...

Cayenne - 191″ L x 79″ W x 67″ H
RX350 - 192.5" L x 74.6"W x 67.7"

Not a bunch of difference there.

Where there is a difference:

Cayenne - 114" wheelbase
Lexus - 109.8" wheelbase

I didn't look up weight balance, but the Lexus IS a front wheel drive platform with added on "4-wheel".. the Cayenne was built as a full-time 4-wheel drive system with the power primarily going to the rear wheels for better handling dynamics. There is no comparison on performance or handling.

Cayenne Burmeister audio is superb, 18 way sports seats are so much better than the Lexus, and the seat ventilation actually blows cooled air at you, not just recycled cabin air. Plus the build quality (look, feel) makes it obvious that the Lexus - while nice - was built by Toyota.

BTW - you really owe it to yourself to try the turbo.. heh, heh...
Thank you for that very informative write up. It's even better since you own both vehicles, so I can get a first hand opinion from somebody that's driven both vehicles. I was completely unaware that the rear seats move forward/back. Didn't even both to check for that. I just noticed the tilt, and that was it. That's good to hear. If I look at another one, I'll definitely try to see how much better the rear legroom space is in the Cayenne.

Since the car is for my Mother, it's going to take some suggesting for my Dad to get a Cayenne. His concern is the reliability of these vehicles. Having owned two e39 BMW 5-series vehicles which he was not happy with their maintenance & issues, he's a fan of Lexus for their reliability. He wants to get the GX, but it's such a boring vehicle, and I feel the SUV will topple over going around the corner, seeing how tall the SUV is.

The Cayenne we drove had the following options:

This 2014 Porsche Cayenne suv is proudly offered by Nalley Lexus Galleria This Porsche includes: LANE CHANGE ASSIST (LCA) Blind Spot Monitor ELECTRIC SLIDE/TILT GLASS SUNROOF Sun/Moon Roof Sun/Moonroof REARVIEW CAMERA INCLUDING FRONT Back-Up Camera Rear Parking Aid TOW BAR SYSTEM Tow Hitch BOSE AUDIO PACKAGE CD Player CD Changer Satellite Radio Premium Sound System HEATED FRONT SEATS POWER STEERING PLUS HEATED MULTIFUNCTION STEERING WHEEL LUXOR BEIGE, TEXTURED PARTIAL LEATHER SEAT TRIM Leather Seats WHEELS: 8.5J Aluminum Wheels Tires - Front Performance Tires - Rear Performance COMFORT PACKAGE Navigation System Auto-Dimming Rearview Mirror HID headlights MP3 Player Headlights-Auto-Leveling 14-WAY ADJ SEATS W/COMFORT/MEMORY PKG Seat Memory Power Passenger Seat Mirror Memory Adjustable Steering Wheel Power Driver Seat Passenger Adjustable Lumbar Driver Adjustable Lumbar FRONT SEAT VENTILATION Heated Front Seat(s) Cooled Front Seat(s)
They wanted $50,551 with 27,271 miles. Seems a bit high when this is available for $2k more, but with less options and half the miles.

https://www.mbscottsdale.com/vehicle...az-id-14296082

but seems like a Base Cayenne S, with no ventilated front seats,
 
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Your dad was not satisfied with maintenances/issues with the e39 BMW, one of the all time most reliable BMWs of all time? Better get him the Toyota.
 
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Your dad was not satisfied with maintenances/issues with the e39 BMW, one of the all time most reliable BMWs of all time? Better get him the Toyota.
REALLY? I've run a Yahoo group dedicated to the E39 series - now on about it's 12th year, and still active with around 400 members.

Calling the E39 "all time most reliable BMWs of all time" is a bit of a stretch IMHO. It's fine for the first 60,000 miles, then the plastic cooling system starts going, followed by electronics (modules, alternator, etc) and suspension bits until finally after about 100k miles, the monthly maintenance costs are higher than buying a Lexus RX-350 and paying the monthly installment (and losing the complaints from the wife...) Which is why you see an RX-350 in my driveway - it's the reliable car.

The most reliable BMW of all times probably is one of the 2 wheeled ones (my last R1200R went 100k miles, needing no more than 2 oxygen sensors, and my current one appears to be equally as good). For 4-wheeled ones, probably the E28 series and the E34 5 series were the "good ones" - made before self-destructing plastic was used in the cooling systems (although some E34's had the plastic water pump impeller that turned to chunks after 50,000 miles.) Best engine they made? Undoubtedly the M30 - noted for being trouble-free for 200k+ miles if you keep oil in it.

The E39 was many wonderful things (I owned several, including a "Touring") but ultimate reliability? Nope.
 

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REALLY? I've run a Yahoo group dedicated to the E39 series - now on about it's 12th year, and still active with around 400 members.

Calling the E39 "all time most reliable BMWs of all time" is a bit of a stretch IMHO. It's fine for the first 60,000 miles, then the plastic cooling system starts going, followed by electronics (modules, alternator, etc) and suspension bits until finally after about 100k miles, the monthly maintenance costs are higher than buying a Lexus RX-350 and paying the monthly installment (and losing the complaints from the wife...) Which is why you see an RX-350 in my driveway - it's the reliable car.

The most reliable BMW of all times probably is one of the 2 wheeled ones (my last R1200R went 100k miles, needing no more than 2 oxygen sensors, and my current one appears to be equally as good). For 4-wheeled ones, probably the E28 series and the E34 5 series were the "good ones" - made before self-destructing plastic was used in the cooling systems (although some E34's had the plastic water pump impeller that turned to chunks after 50,000 miles.) Best engine they made? Undoubtedly the M30 - noted for being trouble-free for 200k+ miles if you keep oil in it.

The E39 was many wonderful things (I owned several, including a "Touring") but ultimate reliability? Nope.
Ok, maybe my statement was a stretch, but look here
http://www.edmunds.com/bmw/5-series/...sumer-reviews/

Agree about the e28 (see my signature). But my point was that if the OP's dad wants a carefree car, you can't beat a Toyota (I mean Lexus)
 
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Ok, maybe my statement was a stretch, but look here
http://www.edmunds.com/bmw/5-series/...sumer-reviews/

Agree about the e28 (see my signature). But my point was that if the OP's dad wants a carefree car, you can't beat a Toyota (I mean Lexus)
I have no idea what the people rating it 5 stars for reliability were used to - but whatever it was - I don't want it. It's somewhat revealing if you reverse the sort order and select "Sort by Lowest Rating" - all the items I mentioned appear there.

But I have to agree entirely with your point - it's why my wife drives an RX-350. I was tired of hearing about what broke this month on the 525iT.
 
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