U are alamost certain, I would love to see your info. Did ford tell u this? Why not just stick to ur ****ty stang.

 

you have to understand the stang mentality. these guys have been riding on 20+ year old chassis with schit for brakes and are therefore accustomed to being relegated to drag racing. so for them, it's all about power. however, fcar guys know there is more to a sports car than making a powerful, numb, AWD with lame gearing ala a lambo. lambo cannot (at least yet) compete with ferrari when it comes to a total package which includes offering up a drivers car.

 

I agree with you 100%.

 

It has become my new goal in life to own a 430 - I think it's the first Ferrari in which I would actually want an F1 box. However, in your case it seems like the best thing to do would be to get another Ferrari for the immediate gradification (a used 360), wait for the kinks to get worked out of the first model year 430, and order one once the price comes a bit closer to MSRP.

Can you order me one too? Here is a picture to drool over in the meantime.

 

you and Cole_21 are absolutely nuts. I am 19 years old and I pay for my own car. I purchased the fastest, most comfortable and most excitiing car I could for the money. I have aspirations to own much nicer and fancier automobiles, but I'll wait until I can financialy afford one. Sure it's no porsche or ferrari but it doesnt cost a 130K or 200K. It's a mass produced (circa 13,000 units), extremely fast sports car.

You say **** for brakes? My stock brakes are 13" brembos and has been tested 60-0 in 113 feet, that sounds good to me. The car has been tested to slalom over 65mph, thats only a couple mph off of a p car. I challange you to find another production car that is for sale in the US with an msrp under 35K that could beat the 03-04 cobra both in a straight line track and a road track and I will never disagree with you on this subject again.

 

i wasn't passing judgment, but just explaining your frame of reference.

as for your brakes, it isn't about 60 to 0 but how many times you can pound the brakes repeatedly (ie: track or mountain driving) without fade and still get similar stopping distances. any stock brembos on a stang are of the cheapo variety relative to the p and fcar variety. the brembos on the 350Z for example are cheapos too. brembos aren't all the same. the ones on the stang and the z are made to ford and nissan specs with the required cost consciousness in mind.

i can't speak for anyone else, but i agree that the "great car for the money" argument on the cobra is a decent one. however, coming on here to talk "trap speeds" as if the stang is somehow competitive on any level other than drag racing with the cars here is naive, and will always bring out the comments re: the one track purpose of the stang drag racers that a cheap price gets you. no one is arguing you aren't getting what you're paying for!

 

Bull****. About a week ago, i took my uncles 360 Spider, out for a spin in Miami. I took it straight to Prestige Imports to drive a Gallardo and Murcielago. Now i do realize, that the 430 is going to be much more powerful than a regular 360, but as of now, the 360's power output is nothing short of pathetic. On the highway, running at 80mph, no joke getting on it in 4th gear, i couldnt shake a guy in a taxi cab. However, i will say the 360 is a substantially better car than my 355. No shakes, rattles etc. The gearshift is still notchy, and the steering feel is better.

At Prestige, first took out a 6 speed Gallardo. I found the 360 seats to be more comfortable, the Gallardos tranny to be much better than the 360's, and the Gallardos acceleration is night and day. At first i was dissapointed in the Gallardos intitial 1st gear acceleration, but once it gets into its own in 2 and 3rd, it moves out very well. In my short sprint, the Gallardo felt much more sure footed. Inmo, visually, the Gallardo is far superior to the 360 and 430. From my experience, having just driven the better part of the day in a red 360 Spider, where it was hardly noticed, in the Gallardo, i was immediately hit with thumbs ups, waves and stares, so id say the public agrees with me. In the end, i liked the Gallardo, and would definately choose one over any 360.

The big problem is, once i drove the Murcielago, its all over. The big Murci is just the king of Supercars. From the moment you sit inside, you know its special. A feeling you dont get from either the 360 nor the Gallardo. Power is vastly superior to the Gallardo, and the car shrinks around you. It is truly an awesome automobile.

 

Oh almost forgot. Went to Champion Porsche to checkout a CGT. They had a silver one. It just does nothing for me. Pretty bland styling, and that interior with that wood shift **** looks soo out of place. It may be a great performance car, but it doesnt stir the soul.

 

i read far too many of you overly-concerned about what other people think of you when you are driving a car.....guess that is your typical lambo owner though, unfortunately. not all looks and stares are a positive thing. for example, when I see a lambo or other over-the-top cheese ball car, i usually stare to get a good look to see what the driver looks like to reconfirm that the stereotype holds true. i am not saying that ferrari buyers all buy ferraris for anything else than flossing either, but i hear/read less of them on this site expressing their concern over other's impressions of them and needing other stanger's approval. enjoy your car for what it does for you, not others.now feel free to flame me if you wish, but i guarantee i will only be flamed by lambo owners, hummer owners, and porsche with silly body kits on them and other various ricer-type blingy modified cars. just MY impression, not saying it is correct or not, but to each their own........ i am sure the only people who will respond to this will be those who feel the need to defend themselves b/c their feeling have been hurt that a stranger doesn't approve of their choice in "look-at-me, oh please, everybody, notice me" automobiles.

 

Evo MR. In fact, it passed the big Murcie on the track during the Top Gear test...

 

Allan, why no email or anything??? Would have loved to meet the man of contraversy Next time you are here let me know!!
Evan

 

AllanLambo, while most of that drivel was silly - even for you, I have to agree that the 360 acceleration is fairly lame (largely owing to the pathetic torque) - especially on the spider. It is considerably better on the Stradale owing to a slight power boost, lighter weight, and the freer revving motor though the car still needs another 50+ lbs of torque.

It's good to know there are still those out there who will buy Lambos (keeps the competition honest since so many morons buy sports cars based on "magazine numbers") which used to just be cheesy over the top small ***** person cars but are now just boring (and heavy in the case of the Merci) AWD Audis with lousy gearing for sport driving.

 

check out this vid of the EVO IX, the way it goes through the corners! car has seriously tenacious grip, could use a little more power though.

edit: forgot to post vid
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/?video_...y.php?id=52802

 

Put your $10,000 deposit now, it's refundable. You won't see a car for at least 2+ years. Ferrari is a strange company when it comes to allocation of cars. You might be say number 10-15 on the list at a particular dealer. But 10-15 celebrities want these cars now (Calvin Klein, Koby, Jack Nicholson etc etc) They will get these cars first before you and push you farther and farther back. Ferrari will not give you a straight answer to how many cars are coming in because they are shady when it comes to their allocation. The only benefit I see to ordering from a dealer is that they sell at MSRP (HAS TO BE A FERRARI OWNED DEARLERSHIP). My cousin got his 360 spider from SF Ferrari and paid MSRP and he was number 20 on the list for the spider when the 360 coupe first came out and waited nearly 3 years for the car. And he went through the same things at SF ferrari with the allocation BS, someone famous wants a car they get it before you.

Good Luck

 

What does anything i wrote have to do with what other people think? Personally i hate the attention the Lambo gets sometimes. What i said was that i find the Gallardo far more visually appealing than the Ferrari. If looks arent important to you at all, buy an Evo 8, its just as fast as a TT, with handling to match.