Should I wait or should I go
Should I wait or should I go
I am sure you guys saw this. http://www.motorauthority.com/news/v...3-rs-facelift/
Should I still go with the order?
I would get mine (GT3) in Sept-08 and it looks like the new ones are going to be arriving on June/July 2010.
Granted its only a face lift and not a model change. Probably with PCM3 and all the goodies.
Should I still go with the order?
I would get mine (GT3) in Sept-08 and it looks like the new ones are going to be arriving on June/July 2010.
Granted its only a face lift and not a model change. Probably with PCM3 and all the goodies.
I reviewed all the links and information but really did not see any specific salient specs regarding the new GT3RS.
It seems like the power remains the same 415 bhp. The tranny would be a significant change with the DPK (double clutch sequential) for faster shifts.
My GT3 with its mods is 450 bhp (392 rwhp) as is.
When the new one comes out I'll have to see if it is worth trading up, also considering all my suspension upgrades.
Cheers, GT3Ranger...Juan
It seems like the power remains the same 415 bhp. The tranny would be a significant change with the DPK (double clutch sequential) for faster shifts.
My GT3 with its mods is 450 bhp (392 rwhp) as is.
When the new one comes out I'll have to see if it is worth trading up, also considering all my suspension upgrades.
Cheers, GT3Ranger...Juan
The new model will also have Direct Injection, with a bhp increase.
I wonder why Porsche or any of the aftermarket tuners don't make their cars look more like the current generation RSR:
http://www.autoblog.it/galleria/porsche-997-rsr-2008/
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Current:
2007 GT3 RS, Orange, FabSpeed upgrades
2004 GT3 Cobalt Blue
Past (sold):
2008 997 Turbo, Cobalt Blue, 6 speed
2007 997 Turbo, GT Silver, TIP
2005 GT3, Guards Red
2003 GT2, Black
2001 996 Turbo X50, Lapis Blue
1998 993 Turbo S, Black
1993 RSA, Guards Red
1992 911 Turbo S2, Black (IMSA Supercup homologation)
I wonder why Porsche or any of the aftermarket tuners don't make their cars look more like the current generation RSR:
http://www.autoblog.it/galleria/porsche-997-rsr-2008/
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Current:
2007 GT3 RS, Orange, FabSpeed upgrades
2004 GT3 Cobalt Blue
Past (sold):
2008 997 Turbo, Cobalt Blue, 6 speed
2007 997 Turbo, GT Silver, TIP
2005 GT3, Guards Red
2003 GT2, Black
2001 996 Turbo X50, Lapis Blue
1998 993 Turbo S, Black
1993 RSA, Guards Red
1992 911 Turbo S2, Black (IMSA Supercup homologation)
Being a gearhead, I couldn't wait to get my first direct injection car and it was an RS4. Great motor, but check out the forums and you'll see a lot of carbon deposit problems on the valves because you don't get the benefit of the detergents keeping them clean. Let's just say the grass didn't seem quite as green after getting to the other side.
I'm going to hang on to my MK1 997 GT3, let Porsche and their owners sort out the updated motor w/ direct injection on the MK2 facelifted series, and get my order in for the next gen GT3 whenever that is (assuming I still want another GT3 4 years from now given the energy situation).
I'm going to hang on to my MK1 997 GT3, let Porsche and their owners sort out the updated motor w/ direct injection on the MK2 facelifted series, and get my order in for the next gen GT3 whenever that is (assuming I still want another GT3 4 years from now given the energy situation).
Folks-
This is an old post from RC, Rennteam Editor, who always seem to know what is happening earlier than most people. I hope my posting it here, with attribution, is ethical. I have added additional information to the bottom of the post which is from me, to be taken with a grain of salt.
From RC at Rennteam.com: "Porsche 997 Facelift(starting with MY 2009):
--------------------------------------------
Porsche 911 Carrera 2 and Carrera S Coupe & Cabriolet market launch Europe, LHD & RHD on July 5th 2008.
USA/Canada % Rest of World on September 20th 2008.
Porsche 911 Carrera 4/4S, Cabriolet 4/4S and Targa 4/4S
market launch worldwide(!) on October 25th 2008.
All 997 Carrera/Targa engines are getting new DFI(direct fuel injection) engines with 3.6 litres and 3.8 litres capacity.
The 3.6 l engine for the standard Carrera/4/Targa 4 models has 345 HP and 390 Nm torque.
The 3.8 l engine for the sportier Carrera S/4S/Targa 4S models has 385 HP and 420 Nm torque.
The manual gearbox gets an upshift indicator which is intended mainly for saving fuel rather than a sportier gear change.
New optional PDK(Porsche Doppelkupplung) 7-speed shifting system which incl. a newly designed 3-spoke steering wheel too.
The Drive-off-Assist, well known from the 997 GT2, will now be a standard option for all 997 models, no matter if manual gearbox or PDK.
PTM, the well known traction management from the 997 Turbo, will be standard on all 4WD models.
Same applies to the limited slip differential which also will be available as an option for all 2WD models.
The 997 models with the smaller 3.6 l engine also get a new and overworked brake system(330 mm brake disks front and rear).
Bi-Xenon lights are now a standard option on ALL 997 models.
Same applies to the new LED daytime running/side lights in the front and the newly shaped LED taillights.
Other improvements: third generation PCM(Porsche Communication Management) with a large 6.5'' touchscreen, 30GB HDD navigation module(optional) and a quadband GSM phone. For the first time, Porsche includes Bluetooth and...hallelujah...MP3 support for the 6-CD changer, something a lot of people were waiting for.
The new PCM system will also have an USB and iPod port and again...hallelujah...you can listen to music from your iPod and even an USB stick now.
A TV-Tuner will also be available(analogue and digital TV) but mainly for DVB-T reception which isn't working in the USA. A voice control for the PCM will also be available as an option.
US cars get XM Radio as an option...hallelujah again.
The interior has been slightly changed too, there are fewer switches to switch, the new black paint finish looks much better than the cheap silver look and the A/C controls have been modified too. Other minor changes like new windows lifts, an improved car key, etc. should also be mentioned.
For sporty drivers and track addicts, Porsche has improved the Sport Chrono Package. There are new features available now like a launch control or a special gearshift mapping(PDK) for track racing. The PASM sport suspension also involves a 20 mm lowering now(apparently incl. USA!), unfortunately ONLY for the Coupe, not the Cabriolet.
It may be also worth mentioning that one of my favourite options in summertime, seat ventilation, is now also available as an option for the 997. For those who rather get cold hands because they live at the North Pole(or in Germany) and not in Florida or California: a heating system for the steering wheel is also available now as an option.
Some minor cosmetic changes have been applied to the rear bumper and front part but with the exception of the newly shaped LED taillights and the slightly different integration of the exhaust pipes, everything is still the same, the 997 shape hasn't changed at all(which is good news!).
For those 997 Turbo, GT3 and GT2 owners who seem to be afraid of a design change: this year, only the 997 Carrera/Cabriolet/Targa gets a facelift, don't worry.
And while I'm writing this, the first facelifted 997 have already left the factory. Hallelujah all the way...again"
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From 911TurboS2: From what I have heard, most of the relevant of these atrributes will also be part of the mk11 GT3 and GT3RS to be released in 2010. Both will have 450 bhp, with the RS having a much lighter chasis and even wider rear track than the current GT3 RS models.
This is an old post from RC, Rennteam Editor, who always seem to know what is happening earlier than most people. I hope my posting it here, with attribution, is ethical. I have added additional information to the bottom of the post which is from me, to be taken with a grain of salt.
From RC at Rennteam.com: "Porsche 997 Facelift(starting with MY 2009):
--------------------------------------------
Porsche 911 Carrera 2 and Carrera S Coupe & Cabriolet market launch Europe, LHD & RHD on July 5th 2008.
USA/Canada % Rest of World on September 20th 2008.
Porsche 911 Carrera 4/4S, Cabriolet 4/4S and Targa 4/4S
market launch worldwide(!) on October 25th 2008.
All 997 Carrera/Targa engines are getting new DFI(direct fuel injection) engines with 3.6 litres and 3.8 litres capacity.
The 3.6 l engine for the standard Carrera/4/Targa 4 models has 345 HP and 390 Nm torque.
The 3.8 l engine for the sportier Carrera S/4S/Targa 4S models has 385 HP and 420 Nm torque.
The manual gearbox gets an upshift indicator which is intended mainly for saving fuel rather than a sportier gear change.
New optional PDK(Porsche Doppelkupplung) 7-speed shifting system which incl. a newly designed 3-spoke steering wheel too.
The Drive-off-Assist, well known from the 997 GT2, will now be a standard option for all 997 models, no matter if manual gearbox or PDK.
PTM, the well known traction management from the 997 Turbo, will be standard on all 4WD models.
Same applies to the limited slip differential which also will be available as an option for all 2WD models.
The 997 models with the smaller 3.6 l engine also get a new and overworked brake system(330 mm brake disks front and rear).
Bi-Xenon lights are now a standard option on ALL 997 models.
Same applies to the new LED daytime running/side lights in the front and the newly shaped LED taillights.
Other improvements: third generation PCM(Porsche Communication Management) with a large 6.5'' touchscreen, 30GB HDD navigation module(optional) and a quadband GSM phone. For the first time, Porsche includes Bluetooth and...hallelujah...MP3 support for the 6-CD changer, something a lot of people were waiting for.
The new PCM system will also have an USB and iPod port and again...hallelujah...you can listen to music from your iPod and even an USB stick now.
A TV-Tuner will also be available(analogue and digital TV) but mainly for DVB-T reception which isn't working in the USA. A voice control for the PCM will also be available as an option.
US cars get XM Radio as an option...hallelujah again.
The interior has been slightly changed too, there are fewer switches to switch, the new black paint finish looks much better than the cheap silver look and the A/C controls have been modified too. Other minor changes like new windows lifts, an improved car key, etc. should also be mentioned.
For sporty drivers and track addicts, Porsche has improved the Sport Chrono Package. There are new features available now like a launch control or a special gearshift mapping(PDK) for track racing. The PASM sport suspension also involves a 20 mm lowering now(apparently incl. USA!), unfortunately ONLY for the Coupe, not the Cabriolet.
It may be also worth mentioning that one of my favourite options in summertime, seat ventilation, is now also available as an option for the 997. For those who rather get cold hands because they live at the North Pole(or in Germany) and not in Florida or California: a heating system for the steering wheel is also available now as an option.
Some minor cosmetic changes have been applied to the rear bumper and front part but with the exception of the newly shaped LED taillights and the slightly different integration of the exhaust pipes, everything is still the same, the 997 shape hasn't changed at all(which is good news!).
For those 997 Turbo, GT3 and GT2 owners who seem to be afraid of a design change: this year, only the 997 Carrera/Cabriolet/Targa gets a facelift, don't worry.
And while I'm writing this, the first facelifted 997 have already left the factory. Hallelujah all the way...again"
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
From 911TurboS2: From what I have heard, most of the relevant of these atrributes will also be part of the mk11 GT3 and GT3RS to be released in 2010. Both will have 450 bhp, with the RS having a much lighter chasis and even wider rear track than the current GT3 RS models.
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