Sport bucket seats and roll bars
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Sport bucket seats and roll bars
I just got a GT3RS and I'm planning on installing a roll bar and the sport seats. Has anyone have any advice or pictures. I hear the Porsche roll bar has issues with seat not being able to be extended all the way back and not acceptable for all type racing events. The bolt together roll bar looks wierd also. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Thought these may help...
OEM RS cage
OEM club sport cage
If you are tall and worried about putting you seat back far enough, I would probably consider a custom made cage... I had the same issue and had one made by Speedware Motorsports -- all bolt in, 6 point
Mine looks like this:
Here is a shot with the seats (Recaro Profi XL SPG)
Also check out the sweet RS Sparco DTM seats that are posted in this section and the for sale section I believe...
Good Luck
OEM RS cage
OEM club sport cage
If you are tall and worried about putting you seat back far enough, I would probably consider a custom made cage... I had the same issue and had one made by Speedware Motorsports -- all bolt in, 6 point
Mine looks like this:
Here is a shot with the seats (Recaro Profi XL SPG)
Also check out the sweet RS Sparco DTM seats that are posted in this section and the for sale section I believe...
Good Luck
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OEM RS rollbars and 2nd consider the Dazzsport rollbars. These two bolt on to the rear suspension points. Marked increased structural rigidity. Other bars do not do this.
The Oakley rollcage in CF may as well be a million $. Insanely expensive and after looking at it, where do you fasten the shoulder harness?
Regarding seats the Porsche RS clubsport are great but price is crazy.
Recommend the Sparco DTM CF seats. Get them from Speedware and with the proper brackets. Awesome seats. See the thread currently about the seats. What color is your GT3RS?
Good luck
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The Oakley rollcage in CF may as well be a million $. Insanely expensive and after looking at it, where do you fasten the shoulder harness?
Regarding seats the Porsche RS clubsport are great but price is crazy.
Recommend the Sparco DTM CF seats. Get them from Speedware and with the proper brackets. Awesome seats. See the thread currently about the seats. What color is your GT3RS?
Good luck
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GT3 Ranger is correct only get bars that attach to the rear shock towers like RS OEM or Dazzsport.
Apart of the structural rigidity which is the most important other bars look terrible if you see the car lateral because they att to the rear seat belt points (ex.Tequipment) and the ones that att to the rear shock towers look super racy.
Apart of the structural rigidity which is the most important other bars look terrible if you see the car lateral because they att to the rear seat belt points (ex.Tequipment) and the ones that att to the rear shock towers look super racy.
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This has been discussed at length over on RL. It depends what you want to do, how much you want to spend for your safety, etc, etc...
Essentially the BEST option is a custom half cage bolted to box sections welded to the chassis. Like this custom half from TC Design.
Otherwise, its always a compromise as every bar has its 'weak' points.
The TE bar, while crashed tested by PAG, bolts to the seat belt points but this causes pressure to be in sheer rather than compression. And while the bolts that fasten the bar in are rated to ~22,000 lbs of sheering force apparently that amount of force is easy generated in a roll.
The RS bar is very pricey but its a great design. The problem with the RS half cage comes with the bolt in plate welded to the ends of the main hoop. They are too small and would go right through the floor. In order for this bar to function at full potential it must be bolted to box sections welded to the chassis.
The DAS bar while extremely cost effective has several "weak" points. Its fabricated from (mild?) steel (helping to keep costs low) instead of Chrom Moly which makes it very heavy. Additionally there is no cross member in the main hoop and rear kickers dont attach to the axial joints in the main hoop causing more stress to be exerted on the already "flawed" main hoop in a (God forbid) roll over situation.
Another option would be GMG's new harness bar. It employs a proper X in the main hoop and I actually have a custom design which connects to the rear shock towers (for a total of 6 mounting points) allowing for even more protection and structural rigidity. I'll post pics later today. Again the only "weak" point in this set up are the bolts (same as TE grade 8 or 9?) which fasten the bar to the seat belt points. Although i believe the rear mounting points (non shock tower) are designed a little differently from that of the TE bar. GMG employs a more cylindrical end to spread sheer forces (See photos below)
GMG bar
TE Bar
But again PAG designed and tested the TE bar to fasten to the seat belt points solely b/c they are the strongest points of the car and most likely forces will always be exerted in ways other than sheer. AllanJ over on RL put it like this
Again, something will ALWAYS be better than nothing. Its up to you to decide what's worth it.
Essentially the BEST option is a custom half cage bolted to box sections welded to the chassis. Like this custom half from TC Design.
Otherwise, its always a compromise as every bar has its 'weak' points.
The TE bar, while crashed tested by PAG, bolts to the seat belt points but this causes pressure to be in sheer rather than compression. And while the bolts that fasten the bar in are rated to ~22,000 lbs of sheering force apparently that amount of force is easy generated in a roll.
The RS bar is very pricey but its a great design. The problem with the RS half cage comes with the bolt in plate welded to the ends of the main hoop. They are too small and would go right through the floor. In order for this bar to function at full potential it must be bolted to box sections welded to the chassis.
The DAS bar while extremely cost effective has several "weak" points. Its fabricated from (mild?) steel (helping to keep costs low) instead of Chrom Moly which makes it very heavy. Additionally there is no cross member in the main hoop and rear kickers dont attach to the axial joints in the main hoop causing more stress to be exerted on the already "flawed" main hoop in a (God forbid) roll over situation.
Another option would be GMG's new harness bar. It employs a proper X in the main hoop and I actually have a custom design which connects to the rear shock towers (for a total of 6 mounting points) allowing for even more protection and structural rigidity. I'll post pics later today. Again the only "weak" point in this set up are the bolts (same as TE grade 8 or 9?) which fasten the bar to the seat belt points. Although i believe the rear mounting points (non shock tower) are designed a little differently from that of the TE bar. GMG employs a more cylindrical end to spread sheer forces (See photos below)
GMG bar
TE Bar
But again PAG designed and tested the TE bar to fasten to the seat belt points solely b/c they are the strongest points of the car and most likely forces will always be exerted in ways other than sheer. AllanJ over on RL put it like this
I have a fairly good understanding of physics and a rollover is what we're afraid of, not picking up the car and throwing it on its roof in such a way that the forces on the main hoop are in the perfect direction to shear the bolts.
In a rollover, forces are exerted on the bar in different directions every microsecond. There will be some shearing forces for sure, but you'll mainly get offset forces on the bar which will push against or pull away from the mounting points (which are extremely strong).
In a rollover, forces are exerted on the bar in different directions every microsecond. There will be some shearing forces for sure, but you'll mainly get offset forces on the bar which will push against or pull away from the mounting points (which are extremely strong).
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I just got a GT3RS and I'm planning on installing a roll bar and the sport seats. Has anyone have any advice or pictures. I hear the Porsche roll bar has issues with seat not being able to be extended all the way back and not acceptable for all type racing events. The bolt together roll bar looks wierd also. Any advice would be appreciated.
Additionally, the RS bar becomes acceptable to most types of racing ONLY if you have it bolted to box sections which are welded to the chassis. But if you are doing real wheel to wheel racing with groups like POC or SCCA, etc i wouldnt recommend anything short of a FULL cage.
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This has been discussed at length over on RL. It depends what you want to do, how much you want to spend for your safety, etc, etc...
Essentially the BEST option is a custom half cage bolted to box sections welded to the chassis. Like this custom half from TC Design.
Otherwise, its always a compromise as every bar has its 'weak' points.
The TE bar, while crashed tested by PAG, bolts to the seat belt points but this causes pressure to be in sheer rather than compression. And while the bolts that fasten the bar in are rated to ~22,000 lbs of sheering force apparently that amount of force is easy generated in a roll.
The RS bar is very pricey but its a great design. The problem with the RS half cage comes with the bolt in plate welded to the ends of the main hoop. They are too small and would go right through the floor. In order for this bar to function at full potential it must be bolted to box sections welded to the chassis.
The DAS bar while extremely cost effective has several "weak" points. Its fabricated from (mild?) steel (helping to keep costs low) instead of Chrom Moly which makes it very heavy. Additionally there is no cross member in the main hoop and rear kickers dont attach to the axial joints in the main hoop causing more stress to be exerted on the already "flawed" main hoop in a (God forbid) roll over situation.
Another option would be GMG's new harness bar. It employs a proper X in the main hoop and I actually have a custom design which connects to the rear shock towers (for a total of 6 mounting points) allowing for even more protection and structural rigidity. I'll post pics later today. Again the only "weak" point in this set up are the bolts (same as TE grade 8 or 9?) which fasten the bar to the seat belt points. Although i believe the rear mounting points (non shock tower) are designed a little differently from that of the TE bar. GMG employs a more cylindrical end to spread sheer forces (See photos below)
GMG bar
TE Bar
But again PAG designed and tested the TE bar to fasten to the seat belt points solely b/c they are the strongest points of the car and most likely forces will always be exerted in ways other than sheer. AllanJ over on RL put it like this
Again, something will ALWAYS be better than nothing. Its up to you to decide what's worth it.
Essentially the BEST option is a custom half cage bolted to box sections welded to the chassis. Like this custom half from TC Design.
Otherwise, its always a compromise as every bar has its 'weak' points.
The TE bar, while crashed tested by PAG, bolts to the seat belt points but this causes pressure to be in sheer rather than compression. And while the bolts that fasten the bar in are rated to ~22,000 lbs of sheering force apparently that amount of force is easy generated in a roll.
The RS bar is very pricey but its a great design. The problem with the RS half cage comes with the bolt in plate welded to the ends of the main hoop. They are too small and would go right through the floor. In order for this bar to function at full potential it must be bolted to box sections welded to the chassis.
The DAS bar while extremely cost effective has several "weak" points. Its fabricated from (mild?) steel (helping to keep costs low) instead of Chrom Moly which makes it very heavy. Additionally there is no cross member in the main hoop and rear kickers dont attach to the axial joints in the main hoop causing more stress to be exerted on the already "flawed" main hoop in a (God forbid) roll over situation.
Another option would be GMG's new harness bar. It employs a proper X in the main hoop and I actually have a custom design which connects to the rear shock towers (for a total of 6 mounting points) allowing for even more protection and structural rigidity. I'll post pics later today. Again the only "weak" point in this set up are the bolts (same as TE grade 8 or 9?) which fasten the bar to the seat belt points. Although i believe the rear mounting points (non shock tower) are designed a little differently from that of the TE bar. GMG employs a more cylindrical end to spread sheer forces (See photos below)
GMG bar
TE Bar
But again PAG designed and tested the TE bar to fasten to the seat belt points solely b/c they are the strongest points of the car and most likely forces will always be exerted in ways other than sheer. AllanJ over on RL put it like this
Again, something will ALWAYS be better than nothing. Its up to you to decide what's worth it.
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oh pulezzz, you make it sound like the DAS bar is not going to withstand a rollover, any rollover. have you ever seen one? have you ever installed one of these? have you seen how the joints are connected? sure it can be improved. any bar can be improved depending on a rollover scenario. but don't make it like a DAS bar is weak in every imaginable rollover.
Not sure how i made the DAS bar seem weak in every imaginable roll over? Again i simply pointed out the "weak" points as with every other bar.
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Ok, i think we all get how much you love the RS bar now.
