R Motons as really great as people say or are they just another marketing ploy 2 get U 2 spend $$$ on your 3? I track about once a month. Car basically sits around in between. It seems like $6K or so does it, plus some extras. Thoughts? thx

 

They're better! But for 6k you could get all new GT3 RS pieces...

 

i think Fred has it in his 3. u guys should meet up on a track day. too bad he's far in Vegas.

 

They truly are one of the best set ups on the track for a _street_ car. And they ride great on the street if set up correctly. Luckily Arling is down there with his Fancy pants alignment SKILLZ...

Seriously Motons are a big step up from PSS9s or anything single adjustable. We're doing a kit on someone's car here this week

 

I am also looking into getting a set of DA shocks..
Someone told me that the JRZ Race shock is a better choice than the Moton CS DA.

Still looking for more info ....there is allot of choices out there.

I think it will help with the corner entry and exit understeer.

I have had good luck before with DA shocks.
It would be nice to get it right the first time.

 

Richard,
I would say they are very, very good if properly set up and there-in lies the rub....

They are highly adjustable. I've driven Phillip's (Vegasgolf98) GT3 with Motons at Spring Mountain and I would guess from the feel that they "could" be good for 2 secs a lap. SM is a very smooth track - on a rougher track they could be even better.

I did a series of 1:31's in Phillips car without pushing much. At the time I was doing 1:29's in my car with stock suspension. Pretty much everything else was the same (tires). I judged at the time that if I was willing to push his car as hard as mine (I wasn't of course) I could easily beat my 1:29.

On the smooth track the biggest difference to me was the transation time in "setting" the car for the corner and in the drive out of the corner. The wallow from the stock shocks is all but gone - the car would just lean into the corner with no fuss.

So far my car is stock (except for tires) but should I decide to mod it after this year's POC season is over (I won't do it now because it would move me into a different class) the first thing I plan to do would be the Motons. I was that impressed with them.

But like I said earlier the set up is critical so to that end I would go where I know it would be done right. One way would be to use the same guy Phillip used which is Kent at Premier in Las Vegas - the shop that runs the White Lightening team (2nd at LeMan this year and past 2-time GT Champions).

-Kevin

 

The best way is the RS suspension, so you get the benefit of the better RS Geometry...ie: control arms mounted differently, wheel carriers ect. If you want variable dampening down the road, you could swap out the RS shocks and pop in some motons. Personally, an RS suspension will probably be better than a stock GT3 suspension with motons. RS supension with Motons,...nirvana

 

DA shocks are not that hard to dial in....it takes a little time in testing the adjustments made.

Once they are dialed in to your driving style they can not be beat..my only concern is getting the best shock spring combo. Which it seems NJ-GT, has led the way again with testing.

You can also contact one of the board sponsor with a racing backround to help with not only the GT3 RS street car...
but the GT3 CUP and RSR, these are the true suspension race parts that can be used on the street GT3.

 

motons are definitely worth their price when set up well. i love mine.

i don't know how moton CS compares with JRZ however.

 

mooty,

I think I will follow you guys and go with the Motons CS...just trying to figure out the spring rates and the canister pressures.
Do you know what make of spings your using?
Thanks for the PM.

 

z06, pm sent

 

We run them in our race cars and our street cars..
IHO they are worth everypenny...

Cant say enough about them..

We are the southern california distributor for them.


Let me know if you are serious about a set,..

 

Every thing Kevin said was true except his times. I imagine he meant 1:51's and 1:49's at Spring Mountain. Otherwise, some F-1 drivers are going to lose there jobs next year! Kevin, how did that Red Bull test go?

BTW, Kent Moore also set up Fred's car. He has a set of Motons in stock for a GT3 if anyone is interested. Take a trip to Vegas.

Motons and JRZ's are about the same, except the customer service is much better with Motons.

 

Yikes - right you are, I meant 1:51 - man I'm really, really fast in my own mind!

1:29's - think I'll phone up Ferrari and tell Rubins not bother showing up next year.....

-Kevin

 

I have a set of Motons with custom valving and modified bumpstops for my car, but alas, haven't gotten around to having them fitted. Maybe at the end of the month I'll get the safety gear in and the Motons; will report back then.

Based on folks' experience in Motons in other cars in my area, I keep hearing two common themes about them:

1. Car takes a set instantly, with very little transition time from input to input. Can even make a heavy car feel light and 'flickable'.

2. Properly setup, the damping is so good that 'they make bumps disappear' (quoting a race team) on the track (relative to a Bilstein or Koni, excluding their race shocks).

On GT3s, however, there is a major drawback: While it is said that street compliance can improve with Motons, your ground clearance will suffer. Due to the shorter shock bodies, they want to be run lower than stock to work properly otherwise you'll top out the shocks.

I should have some first hand knowledge soon.

I'm not sure why people have a hard-on for the RS stuff. Better suspension geometry perhaps, but the RS dampers aren't fundamentally different than those on the standard issue GT3 which is simply a height adjustable bilstein.