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Old Mar 10, 2013 | 07:53 PM
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I've always been of the belief that you buy an M car or Porsche because you want to be a better driver. Most people I see who buy GT-Rs and Ferraris just want to pretend they're fast. It's easy to be fast when your car has tons of horsepower and the technology from the space shuttle to keep you on the track. It's not easy to be fast with a slow car.
Its not really fair to generalize a group of people based on their car brand to that extent. There will be people like that under all brand names and frankly theres nothing wrong with that. Its like badmouthing McLaren because all they care about is engineering and laptimes, to some people that gives them enjoyment, whether its simply knowing that their car has that kind of potential or whether they choose to explore that potential personally. You cant really say with any certainty that general Porsche owners are any more "track focussed" than that of Ferrari or GT-R owners.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2013 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by krea.tion

Its not really fair to generalize a group of people based on their car brand to that extent. There will be people like that under all brand names and frankly theres nothing wrong with that. Its like badmouthing McLaren because all they care about is engineering and laptimes, to some people that gives them enjoyment, whether its simply knowing that their car has that kind of potential or whether they choose to explore that potential personally. You cant really say with any certainty that general Porsche owners are any more "track focussed" than that of Ferrari or GT-R owners.
You're right, I can't say it with certainty. I'm just going on what I've seen personally. More guys I know track their BMWs and Porsches than the guys with Ferraris and GT-Rs. The ones who do track don't seem to be as good, nor as fluid with their machinery.
 
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Originally Posted by krea.tion
Its not really fair to generalize a group of people based on their car brand to that extent. There will be people like that under all brand names and frankly theres nothing wrong with that. Its like badmouthing McLaren because all they care about is engineering and laptimes, to some people that gives them enjoyment, whether its simply knowing that their car has that kind of potential or whether they choose to explore that potential personally. You cant really say with any certainty that general Porsche owners are any more "track focussed" than that of Ferrari or GT-R owners.
May not be fair, but certainly quite accurate. Though you may be correct that there are people like that under every make and model, it's no different than some people wanting fast food because they want to eat now and some people willing to wait or search out decent food. Guess which one's are more likely to be fat?

With cars, the people who want to really learn the intricacies of how the car is reacting will not want computers interfering and fixing everything for them. They will want to feel what is going on with every aspect of the car. This makes them better drivers because they can feel and react to what's going on. The impatient types don't care if they missed most of the apexes on the way to a fast lap time.

Believe it or not, the type of car you pick (especially when it relates to road racing) can tell you a lot about a person. All of the really talented amateur drivers I know can't stand all sorts of electrical nannies or the cars they come on. They want to do those actions themselves and feel like they are in a real race car (as close as they can get anyways).
 
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You're right, I can't say it with certainty. I'm just going on what I've seen personally. More guys I know track their BMWs and Porsches than the guys with Ferraris and GT-Rs. The ones who do track don't seem to be as good, nor as fluid with their machinery.
 
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4) Last with 475 and PDK, the 0-60 is 3.3 is likely conservative, my Box S w PDK is crazy off the line fast. Cant wait to drive one of these hopefully.
That's a gear ratio/traction question, provided the power is adequate.

I would have to compare on dragtimes the 60fts of rwd 911s/GT3/GT2s vs. PDK TTs and GTRs to formulate a prediction.

I believe the 458 and 12C both were below 3.3 seconds, and have fairly aggressive gearing but neither got less than 3.0 seconds and those are also with DCT transmissions. But considerably more power. Perhaps a big weight difference will offset it.

Looking forward to finding out.
 
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Originally Posted by AwesomeBMW
You're right, I can't say it with certainty. I'm just going on what I've seen personally. More guys I know track their BMWs and Porsches than the guys with Ferraris and GT-Rs. The ones who do track don't seem to be as good, nor as fluid with their machinery.
Hey, a BMW sedan is the easiest car in the world to drive... period...you can't throw them in with a rear engine, rwd car to make your point that they are 'drivers' cars to build talent. Just admit that you buy the GT3 bcz it has a gold crest and its racing seats makes you feel like 'racing royalty' at PCA events.
 
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Hey, a BMW sedan is the easiest car in the world to drive... period...you can't throw them in with a rear engine, rwd car to make your point that they are 'drivers' cars to build talent. Just admit that you buy the GT3 bcz it has a gold crest and its racing seats makes you feel like 'racing royalty' at PCA events.
LOL! Isn't the GTR the easiest of all? AWD and does nearly everything for you?

BMWs are competing against Ferraris. Granted they are modded, but they all are...

I read in AutoWeek that GT3s are tracked by a large percentage of their owners (70%?), perhaps the largest of all models?
 

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Originally Posted by BOXER12
Hey, a BMW sedan is the easiest car in the world to drive... period...you can't throw them in with a rear engine, rwd car to make your point that they are 'drivers' cars to build talent. Just admit that you buy the GT3 bcz it has a gold crest and its racing seats makes you feel like 'racing royalty' at PCA events.
While a BMW sedan is easy as hell to drive on a track, it still makes you a better driver. A 911 will make you a better driver by scaring the **** out of you the first time the rear-end comes around on you. That'll show you to find a different limit, haha.

I don't own a GT3, nor do I have the money to get one yet, but I won't buy one unless I'm going to track it for fun, not because it's the golden ***** on at PCA events.
 
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