Outbrake and outhandle a GT2? Says who?

Let's see what von Saurma gets in the Z06 and then we will see how fast the car really is. He did 7:46 in the GT2.

FYI, if you extrapolate from Rohrl's time in the GT2, it should be 7:41.8, since he ran a 20.832km lap (in 7:46.9) as opposed to 20.6km (the standard length lap for most testing). This was back in 2001 before they made some repairs to the pavement and when the car was shod with Michelin PS1. Rohrl says he could have gone even faster still.

An '04 would be marginally faster due to newer control arms, high friction dampers like the GT3, and more power.

Assuming the Vette is marginally faster in a straight line, then it would seem that the GT2 has the edge in braking and/or handling. With the same amount of power, I would suspect the GT2 would be way faster around almost any track.

 

Show me one test of the GT2 stopping from 60-0 in 100', or one test of a GT2 running the Nring in 7:42. Not what it SHOULD run like you mentioned(Because if that is the case, the C6 Z SHOULD run a 7:3x w/o runflats) but what it actually did run (Which you and I both know is a 7:46).

 

This is all pretty moot. They are both great cars and neither would leave the other in the dust.


I can't wait to see some more "official" testing of the Z at the ring though.

 

good way to bring something productive to the conversation

 

Yes, 7:46 for 20.832km vs. 7:43 for 20.600km. Do the math. 60-0 braking is meaningless when you are talking about track performance. But FYI, Z06 braking from 60-0 is anywhere from 104' to 114' while GT2 is 107' to 117' depending on conditions and the publication which tested it. As you can see, the differences are negligible.

No way a C6Z will run 7:3x on standard tires. If you think the Z06 can challenge a Carrera GT on the track, you are really delusional. At those speeds, every fraction of a second is exponentially more difficult to shave off.

 

Ok, lets do some math:

The standard Nurburgring testing measures, according to you, is 20.600 km. The C6 Z06 ran a 7:42.9 around 20.600 km. The GT2 ran a 7:46.9 in 20.832 km, a difference of .232 km's, or, ~760'.
Without going into too much math, ok, I will give it to you that it would be close (Assuming you are correct in regards to the distance they both traveled, this is new to me)

Now, take into consideration that the C6 Z was on runflats when this all happend. It seems that you are not aware of how TERRIBLE runflats are. Well, I am , and let me tell you, with the runcraps gone, the C6 Z has a few more secs in it and it might break in to the 7:39.xx range. Ask your fellow Porsche members about how terrible runcraps are, and see what they say. If they have any idea how bad runcraps are, they will agree with me.
The CGT ran the Nring in 7:28, so, even if the Z did run a 7:39.xx, it still is not close. So, no one is "delusional" as you said. I am aware that a CGT is a better performer.

Next- Braking. You said that the Z did it in a range of 104' to 114' while the GT2 does it in the range of 107' to 117'. Well, given those statistics, though the results are marginal, that means that the Z has a better stopping distance taking the average, right? right!. But, you forgot something. And that is that the C6 Z has gone from 60-0 in 100' as a best, while the GT2 has a 107' as the best. Best for best, Z still wins. If you would like, I would be glad to direct you to the link where the C6 Z just tested a braking distance of 100'.

The Z has also trapped at 127 and ...well, we won't get into that.

Bottom line is, I can sit here and argue with you how great the C6 Z is, but I wont. But, I wanted to go into a little bit of detail just to show some of you non-believers how great this car really is. If you don't accept it, then you my friend is the delusional one. Adios..

 

Guys let's face it. The C6 Z06 is the best car ever. 1/4 and braking numbers on a piece of paper are the only real indicator on how well a car performs. I am going to trade in all of my cars and buy 50 of them. One for every fine state in the Union. I think if we all do the same we can save GM from going under. And if anyone says they suck we'll make up some excuse about how their logic is flawed. We'll all speak like we are pro drivers and how if we ran different tires our times would be better by seconds.
Well I'm going to change into my flanel shirt and head off to the local Chevy dealer. Anyone know about turbocharging these things? For $5,000 in modifications I reckon Imma catch me some Forraree Annzos at the local race track. Yee Haw.

 

Well you haven't heard about the C6Z brake recall yet:

"As I understand the problem, it’s caused by contamination of the wheel speed sensor, where ferrous debris (most of it likely from the rotors and semi-metallic pads) sticks to the sensor and either causes a mechanical misalignment of the sensor or a magnetic short circuit. In either case, the sensor’s ability to determine the wheel speed is impaired. When this happens, it’s likely that the ABS system interprets the lost signal as a locked wheel, and begins to decrease brake pressure. This obviously has the effect of increasing stopping distances. Because the problem is corrosion-related, the recall is only being performed in 14 northern states. This is the same problem that caused GM to recall 150,000 Canadian trucks earlier in the year, when perhaps it was thought that salt corrosion could be stopped at border checkpoints."

Well actually this was for GM trucks, but the same technology no doubt is used on the C6Z. You could imagine a recall just like this on any GM car. Point is GT2 brakes share technology with F1 cars .. you will get the same stopping distance 1000 times over on end as the C6Z test a one time deal. Same thing on the ring ... one time deal and then dispose the car. Also there is no proof what type of tire was used or how much power that particular car made.






GM recall

 

Yea, you aren't really catching on to the arguments people are making. No one is saying it's the best car ever. No one is even saying it's better then a GT2, in fact, I've been stating the opposite.

But reality is, the new Z06 is an absolute beast no matter where the cost is. It is also anything but a straight line only car.

It's not about chevy going under, or wearing a flannel shirt, etc. There are more then a few people on this board who have owned cars like VIN #'d RUF cars, 360 CS's, GT2's etc and they all praise the new Z06. Go test drive one, make your own judgements. It may not be what you like, hell esp. since you are use to Rear engine RWD cars and it'll be a completely different feel. But then some guys who have been driving vettes their whole life may not like the feel of the porsche. That's fine, we each have our personal preferences. But to deny Chevy built an amazing automobile that will keep up w/ 99% of stock cars out there including everything outside of something that'll cost you 300K, they've done well.

 

Yea, porsche hasn't ever had any recalls, or problems. How are those first gen PCCB's doing

 

I don't think anyone is saying the Z06 isnt a good car. Its got 505 freakin' horsepower, and they finally developed a vette that can handle, its brillant, it really is no one is arguing that it isnt. Some of us however still wouldnt buy one for personal reasons.

I just feel that vette fans have been living with a sports car that wasnt quite as good as the competition for years, so now finally that this amazing Z06 exists they can't help but rub it into peoples noses and then comment about how it costs half as much. Seems slightly juvenile to me. And granted this is probably **** talking from a small number of vette fans, but its just the perception Im seeing lately.

 

I have seen the PCCB used on GT2/GT3/CGT on daily basis on the Porsche track with thousands of miles on them and zero problems. Regretable I don't have them on my GT3, but they are standard on 997GT3 Cups now. A set of PCCBs cost more than entire Zs sitting around dealer lots collecting dust.

 

That's part of the fun of the game, is jabbing your competition, porsche has been doing it for years, so has ferrari, dodge, etc. It's always gone on, always will. Everyone likes to talk **** But then again, if you built a car, that could keep up w/ anything out there at a fraction of the cost, wouldn't you want to brag as much as possible? But I agree w/ you on many of your points and think you have the right way of thinking.



And, I think most of the responses in this thread backing up the Z06 were in response to these comments:


and the "oval" shape comments.

 

Just do a search about the many many many people on here and rennforums who *****ed and moaned about the first gen PCCB's. The problem has been solved w/ the 2nd gen, which is now on the 997GT3. Everyone is given a chance to fix things.



Do you know any Z's sitting on dealer lots collecting dust?

 

Not sure if you are refering to me or not, but incase you are, did I ever bring up price in this thread? I did not, and won't.

And as far as rubbing it in, nobody is doing that, atleast not me. What I am doing is defending the Z06 ONLY when people make ignorant comments and are clueless about cars. For example, someone said "It is fast in a straight line but it will get ***** slapped around a track". How can someone say something soo idiotic? Who in thier right minds would say that about a car that has one of the best lap times ever recorded for a factory street car and has recorded over 1.10 on the skidpad??

It is very simple, really. Ask the people that have Ferrari's, Porsche's, etc what they think of the C6 Z. Do a dearch and you will see what people that ACTUALLY DRIVEN the car have to say about it.

Anywho, it is all in fun and games. Drive what you like. The GT2 and the C6 Z are both amazing cars, and I will never argue that