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Old Nov 7, 2006 | 02:41 PM
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Hypothetical Question - CGT straight line performance against bikes?

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Im Sam from Qatar and I got a question I want to ask any CGT owners here. (This
situation is hypothetial BTW)

Can a carrera gt hang with sport bikes for roughly 1 km first starting at from a stop,
then 60 kph and then 100 kph.

The bikes are a 06 1000rr with a chip/full race exhasut ~170hp to the wheels, a 1100 black
bird - stock, and 06 600rr - chip/exhast/lowered.

Do the bikes have a chance?
 
Old Nov 7, 2006 | 04:10 PM
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Depends largely on the riders, but that said, unless said riders are completely useless, the bikes will nuke and pave a CGT. Especially from a standing stop and up to relatively low speeds.

The CGT has a power to weight ratio of around 5 pounds per horsepower. A tuned 1000 sport bike is more to the tune of 2.5 pounds per horsepower. Not even remotely close.

Where the CGT can kick some is on the high end where aerodynamics take a hand. Were one to do a 70-140 mph run or so, or even higher, it'd be a closer race, but I still don't know that I'd put money on the CGT.
 
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Depends largely on the riders, but that said, unless said riders are completely useless, the bikes will nuke and pave a CGT. Especially from a standing stop and up to relatively low speeds.

The CGT has a power to weight ratio of around 5 pounds per horsepower. A tuned 1000 sport bike is more to the tune of 2.5 pounds per horsepower. Not even remotely close.

Where the CGT can kick some is on the high end where aerodynamics take a hand. Were one to do a 70-140 mph run or so, or even higher, it'd be a closer race, but I still don't know that I'd put money on the CGT.
I agree about high speed runs. the power and aerodynamics of the CGT will take over when the speeds get higher.
 
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At around 160 mph+ the bikes will be severly limited (guy will probably be laying almost flat on his bike and still almost get sucked off of it). Should start pulling away.
 
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From about 80mph to 165mph a CGT and a stock Hayabussa will be within a car length of each other the entire time.

Don't ask me how I know!
 
Old Nov 8, 2006 | 03:50 AM
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I have taken out a 1000RR from a 100mph roll to 180+mph in my CGT...as for 0-60...not a chance...on the other hand a pulled a Hayagussa from a 40mph..but that was in my turbo..a 600RR is not a big challenge...I did a 30mph to 130mph with a 600RR and pulled away from him pretty good


Here is a Video of my turbo against a modded 1200RR (he claimed 186RWHP) from a 50-180mph roll...

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...1210fe2ff3.htm

The last run was a 1.7bar the ones prior where at 1.4bar
 

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Awesome video
 
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The last run was a 1.7bar the ones prior where at 1.4bar
On stock internals?
 
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Originally Posted by AMGGIRL
Awesome video
KANAN!!!

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On stock internals?
Ahhh...NO !

I dont know if you get over to the 996tt thread,,,here is some info on the car....it took Protomotive two years and close to $200,000.00 was invested in the build...The car lays down 915hp to the wheels at 1.5bar...and is a daily driver with ABS, PSM and A/C....

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ht=VRAlexander

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ht=VRAlexander

Some Videos:
http://www.putfile.com/vralexander/media

and the public dyno sheet:
http://www.geocities.com/protomotive/
 
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900-1k wheel horsepower tends to be the magic number to toast just about any bike in a ~3,000 pound car.

'course, then there's those damn turbo busas..
 
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Originally Posted by Simba
900-1k wheel horsepower tends to be the magic number to toast just about any bike in a ~3,000 pound car.

'course, then there's those damn turbo busas..
100% Correct!!

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'course, then there's those damn turbo busas..
...thats what the NOS is for !
 
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Not sure about a CGT versus a bike, but I did beat a Suzuki GSXR 1000 in my modified Ford GT. Not sure if the bike was stock, or not. He had an aftermarket pipe, but not sure about anything else. Race was from about 50mph to about 160mph, and beat him by a pretty decisive distance. But that was just 1 case, against 1 rider. It may have been more interesting to go from a lower speed roll, or from a stop.
 
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Originally Posted by VRAlexander
KANAN!!!



Ahhh...NO !

I dont know if you get over to the 996tt thread,,,here is some info on the car....it took Protomotive two years and close to $200,000.00 was invested in the build...The car lays down 915hp to the wheels at 1.5bar...and is a daily driver with ABS, PSM and A/C....

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ht=VRAlexander

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ht=VRAlexander

Some Videos:
http://www.putfile.com/vralexander/media

and the public dyno sheet:
http://www.geocities.com/protomotive/
Unbelievable.
 
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What was that guy thinking of racing you with aerodynamic bricks (saddlebags) on his 12r?
 
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maybe some of the moto riders heft was part of the problem
 


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