GT3/GT2 Performance and Track Discussion on the Porsche GT3 and GT2

EXTRA HP FROM 997 GT3 and RS

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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBlonde
Because he's highlighting that you are the know all ********.
You must be an only child or have nothing to do with your day if your taking the time to throw in a comment like that in this discussion.

Are you 4, or 40?
 
Old Jan 9, 2007 | 08:18 PM
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+1 vote for direct injection. It is the future since laws want cars more efficient and cleaner.

The fact that Porsche didn't adopt it is due to their unwillingness to start over again and make a new engine when they have the engine with the GT1 derived block to work with.

Guys, we all love porsche but keep in mind that R&D costs and when you don't need to change a succesfull recipy, you just don't.
 
Old Jan 9, 2007 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MeanMachine
Looking and comparing porsche's

the facelifted 996 got 320hp from a 3.6 and the 997 with 3.6 engine got 325, why didnt porsche give the 997 at least 340hp and gave the Carrera S 380 standard
I think you want a response other than Porsche is trying to rape you, but that's the true motive. They should have grown a pair and put the Carrera S engine (355 hp) in the Carrera & the 380 hp X51 option in the Carrera S, but they want to push you to paying that extra $12000 for "better technology." As if dropping $85K wasn't enough. The lineup should have looked like this :

Boxster S/Cayman S : 325 hp
Carrera : 355 hp
Carrera S : 381 hp

Instead competitors get massive 50-100 hp boosts, and the Carrera gets 5 hp. That's why I have no remorse from Porsche when they are giving $6K-$8K discounts on Carreras.
 
Old Jan 9, 2007 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mowblowgo
I would think the opposite, that 99% of the RS buyers can and will drive it at the limit on the track. Otherwise, why in the world would they select this car? It is certainly not a street racer.
I think RS driver/buyers will tend to be better than the average 911 buyer but that will not make them Walter Rohrl.
 
Old Jan 9, 2007 | 11:07 PM
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What crazy comments on this thread. Unless Wolf Henzler or Patrick Long recently joined 6speed, no member that is an active poster that I am aware of can get 10/10ths out of a GT3RS (or a 987 Boxster S for that matter). I agree that weight reduction is smarter and more cost effective way to increase the HP/Weight ratio on a 997 GT3 RS. As always, and I've learned this the hard way, spend your money on coaching and safety 1st and "go-fast parts" later (if you're a new Porsche owner and the 997 GT3 RS is your 1st car, much later).

As far as the cracks on Porsche and their "old" technology, "Huh?". Everyone knows Porsche typically understates that all important poser stat we love known as the 0-60 time. HP is probably understated as well.

I still haven't driven a car that puts all the parts together as well as Porsche. Do you guys realize that the 997 TT and GT3 cars are true supercars (that you can drive to work everyday without knowing the tow truck drivers on a 1st name basis)?

I am putting the deposit down now on the 6speeder that will help Porsche take engineering to the next level when comes to normally-aspirated engines.
Poor German Fools don't realize how smart we are here in America. Imagine how good the cupholders can be in the future!
 
Old Jan 10, 2007 | 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DHinkle
What crazy comments on this thread. Unless Wolf Henzler or Patrick Long recently joined 6speed, no member that is an active poster that I am aware of can get 10/10ths out of a GT3RS (or a 987 Boxster S for that matter). I agree that weight reduction is smarter and more cost effective way to increase the HP/Weight ratio on a 997 GT3 RS. As always, and I've learned this the hard way, spend your money on coaching and safety 1st and "go-fast parts" later (if you're a new Porsche owner and the 997 GT3 RS is your 1st car, much later).

As far as the cracks on Porsche and their "old" technology, "Huh?". Everyone knows Porsche typically understates that all important poser stat we love known as the 0-60 time. HP is probably understated as well.

I still haven't driven a car that puts all the parts together as well as Porsche. Do you guys realize that the 997 TT and GT3 cars are true supercars (that you can drive to work everyday without knowing the tow truck drivers on a 1st name basis)?

I am putting the deposit down now on the 6speeder that will help Porsche take engineering to the next level when comes to normally-aspirated engines.
Poor German Fools don't realize how smart we are here in America. Imagine how good the cupholders can be in the future!
How is technology reflected in 0-60 times and acceleration? Also, how advanced do you think that the technology of modern cars is compared to other fields of engineering? Look at ABS, it existed 20 years ago on airplanes before it was first utilised on cars. Same goes with turbocharging, chemical-forced induction and several other tecnologies that make the car enthusiasts gape in awe when they first see them on a car.

You really need to realise that the car, is first of all a product for Porsche. That they have to sell not only to impress the world but also make some money. The only cars Porsche made with the purpose of showing what they were capable of doing was the 959 and the Carrera GT. The first, is claimed to have costed quite a lot of money to porsche, more than they ever made from selling it but it was made in order to please the loyal customers.

No matter how good some of us are behind the steering wheel, most of us are succesfull in our jobs in order to be able to afford a Porsche. And some of us practice engineering for a living. Once you see the amazing progress in our field, you will realise that cars are pretty simple and that making a good car is more about tool utilization rather than a whole new scientific approach.

Building an engine with Direct injection requires R&D. The amount of GT3 cars and the price they are sold for may or may not justify paying the cost of R&D. So as long as they can get the job done with simpler and more cost effective methods, they stick to them. If they didn't, you would see every car equiped with ceramic clutches, every engine equiped with dry sump, every chassis made of aluminum etc. But then a boxster would cost 100k to produce...

It's not only car industry that works this way. Gold is the best metal u can use to to transfer electric signal, still your phone line is made from copper...
 
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Post numbers 30 and 35. . . . completely in agreement.
 
Old Mar 28, 2007 | 09:22 PM
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LOL @ electronic direct injection and mechanical direct injection.... haha.. sounds like RR4 took the voodoo engineering class...

Originally Posted by rr4
Porsche could get more power out of all of their NA motors, if they would emply direct injection.

Direct injection takes into consideration the current position of each piston while firing (since at anyone point in time each piston would be in a unique stroke position) and calculates and injects the EXACT amount of fuel each cylinder requires to give the most efficient "bang". Currently the GT3 and all of Porsche's models do not have this system, instead they have a system that Average's the amount of fuel required for all six cylinders, so some get more, some get less. Inefficient = less power.

The GT3RSR DOES have mechanical direct injection and it makes 485 with restrictors, but since this 3.6L block is so old, probably electronic direct injection is not an option for it anymore.

All of the highpowered diesel motors that BMW, MERC and Audi are coming out with use direct injection.
 
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Originally Posted by rockitman
why would you want more hp ? I bet 99% of the people who have one cannot even drive it at the limit safely with the existing hp on the track....if street or drag strip hp is your concern, buy a turbo and chip it...

Thanks no better said..the GT3 is perfect in every way!
 
Old Mar 28, 2007 | 11:09 PM
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why would you want more hp ? I bet 99% of the people who have one cannot even drive it at the limit safely with the existing hp on the track....if street or drag strip hp is your concern, buy a turbo and chip it...
Roger that!
 
Old Mar 29, 2007 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Gabriel
Gold is the best metal u can use to to transfer electric signal, still your phone line is made from copper...
lol i think you meant silver.
 
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Originally Posted by mowblowgo
I would think the opposite, that 99% of the RS buyers can and will drive it at the limit on the track. Otherwise, why in the world would they select this car? It is certainly not a street racer.
I bet there are a considerable amount of RS buyers who will never track the car....
 
Old Mar 29, 2007 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Me_qwkr
hey titanium rods might help.. and same with an entirely built titanium head.. bet that aint in the new RS
It already has titanium rods, as does the GT3 and 996 GT3.
 
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