why don't you just post how much he is willing to pay at the most??? that way maybe someone on this board is willing to give up their spot... just an advice...

Alan

 

I would just prefer to keep the premium number between me and the potential seller.

Thanks,
B

 

You know, I am not really sure why you are posting about this, unless you are trying to buy a car below "market" from an unsuspecting or unaware seller (are there any at this point?, I doubt it ). Or else, maybe you are trying to jawbone down the price you want to pay. You have stated your opinion as to what the premium shouldn't be, but want to close of debate as to what it might be, interesting!

If you really want a car and have no allocation, then there are quite a few Dealers who did not pass their cars along to Customers (Woodland seems to be one of them) and will sell them at a "market" adjusted price.

I know Dealers are offering other Dealers at least $25K over (with additional internal incentives) and not getting any takers. Aditional allocations, if any, have little chance of going to customers on lists because Dealers feel they can make more with "market" adjustments and/or forced options (there will always be exceptions from good Dealers).

Until all the dust settles re allocations and "local" supplies it is impossible to tell what will happen to the premium or discount in the future, but that is not the point

If you want a car right now, you are going to have to be a willing party to establish current "market"; and the Dealers with cars appear to have established their position. The place to negotiate the price is with them (not here), but trying to buy something that is not yet available is just going to increase the price even more. Catch 22!

Simply stated, your standing offer of a premium (whatever it is, since it is below "market") will not get you the result you desire. Never mind the complications it introduces for a private seller, because no Dealer will let a customer spec a car and flip it, for one of two reasons 1) it offends their sense of fair play (car should go to the next person on their list) or 2) they want the extra profit and feel as the Delaership they are more entitled to it than a Customer. So, now for a Customer to give you a car he has to go through a hassle of taking delivery, then transferring the car to you (with the risk (unknowable) of you flaking out, because the "market" has changed, and the car was speced to your wishes) and makes the Dealer and all the salesmen mad at him because they will feel their "customer" lost a car.

A smart "seller", at this point, would flip his car back to Dealer (given their appetite for cars) and keep his "circle" happy and avoid the uncertainties from "retail" customers and that doesn't bode well for you. A smart RS "buyer" would keep the car (imo).

Notice I respected your wish and didn't opine on the level of premium, good luck with your search. Start calling Dealers!

 

There will be a RS in 2008 so anyone who pays a premium for an RS will be feel like a moron when they make the 2008 regular production. Lets remember the X50 and the CGT. Porsche thinks with thier pockets, they do not care about exclusivity.

 

That's a mighty bold statement. How are you so sure 08s will be produced.

 

I have confirmation from someone high ranking at PCNA, enough said!

 

they have plans to make 1 more extra than the demand.

 

The CGT was stated to be a 1500 car run from the beginning.
The RS being built for 08 is too early to know, maybe, maybe not.

 

knowing porsches new management and their marketing me thinks they'll be plenty.

 

Interesting. Lots of conflicting information out there!

 

CNC,

You make some intersting points and I would like to clarify. I am not trying to Jawbone down the market value of the car. Your stated premium's of $25k might exist but again, may or may not be the norm.
When I bought my Turbo in July, everyone was looking for one and many (NOT EVERY) dealership and private sellers were trying to charge a premium. I remember the numbers being asked were around $10k-$20k north of MSRP. I put out my feelers and landed my car at MSRP. I was not on a list, I did not have a deposit and I also did not pay a premium.
Point is: you can't make blanket statements about market value on the RS. Every car and every person is different. You don't know what they are worth, neither do I. Some people are going to get very burned (as they do on every new Pcar that fetches a premium for a couple months)..
-- And you can say that dealerships are swapping cars for $25k but I can also tell you that I know private owners that can't sell their RS for $25k. How do I know them you ask? Because I already turned down an offer on one for $25k that is still for sale.

As I said, before and will say again. I think there may be some cars that sell at $50k, I think there will be some that sell at $25k and some that sell for less.

I have purposely kept my numbers off the board for two reasons. 1) To prevent from being outbid. 2) to prevent a flame on premium prices.
This car is not even for me. I am trying to help my bro. He has told me what he will pay as a premium and I actually think he's not off the mark. I am not telling anyone what they should sell their car for or what they are worth, I am only willing to tell a seller what we are willing to pay. They can then take it or leave it.

And I don't think I will find a car on the boards like this. I belive most RS buyers will keep them except for the flippers who are going to try to make top dollar. But in any event, it does not hurt to tell people that we are willing to pay for one. We are willing to pay a bit more than any other private offers I have seen thus far.

And sometimes, you get lucky and find the seller who wants to make some quick, good money and move on.

I am not trying to take advantage of anybody's innocence on the value of this car and I don't appreciate the implication.

There is no set value on what the RS is worth..

Thanks B.

 

The RS will 100% be built in 08.

 

lets hope you are WRONG!!!

Alan

 

Isn't that what I said

"Until all the dust settles re allocations and "local" supplies it is impossible to tell what will happen to the premium or discount in the future, but that is not the point."

There was no implication of anything, just some questions and potential analysis.

 

No, you said and I quote above that I am trying to buy the car below "market" value from an unaware seller. Or I'm trying to jawbone down the price. On both accords, that is an obnixous thing to say to someone. I am doing neither.

I have simply stated, there is a price I am willing to pay and for the main reason of not wanting to have someone outbid me for $500-$1000, I would prefer to keep that number between me and the seller.

Furthermore, I have also said that there probably will be cars that will sell for an extraordinarily high premium. But that does not mean ALL of them will. Take for example the Carrera GT. Nuff said.

I don't see why any of my comments have gotten you into such a fuss. I was not trying to start an argument, cause a debate, or even start a poll on what premiums are thought to be, should be, or in reality what they are. Right now everything is subjective. And no, the car is not worth $50k to me. Maybe to someone else it is, but not to me.

It would be stupid for me to post what I am willing to pay especially when there are no sellers. So please stop feeling the need to tell me that I am approaching this unethically because you feel a need to know what I am or am not willing to pay....

You are trying to argue with me simply for the arguments sake. I have no reason to debate with you. My offer stands to any serious seller.

B