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Old Apr 3, 2007 | 08:51 AM
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I've been following this thread and wondering what motivates the speculation. As far as I've seen over the last 2-3 weeks, there are GT3 RS vehicles available now - sitting on dealers lots. Why would we want Porsche to make any more now. Think about how exclusive this car is currently (Roughly 260 cars). Compared to the new M3, which BMW sold at least 50,000 of on their last generation run, the GT3 and GT3 RS production is like a hiccup. I hope that Porsche keeps it that way.
The cars that are available are cars that dealers ordered with a ton of options that don't belong on this car, then they add 35k to that already bloated price. I, and I asume many others would like to order the car the way I want. If that does not happen I would not consider one of the over optioned cars. They will be sitting on the lot if there are more allocations or not.
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If you think Porsche is going to build more cars b/c the ones sitting on the lots aren't what you want then you are all living in fantasy land. Basically, if your not taking one on the lots you really don't want one badly enough.

But I don't blame anyone for not wanting one badly enough since the RS is so similar to another car that Porsche offers which provides similar performance AND you can order one they way you like it - see 997GT3. And that's why, my friends, Porsche won't be increasing any allocation for the RS, there are too many of them already.

If the RS really did offer a performance improvement, ie 200kg lighter than the standard GT3 and had 50 more HP than the standard GT3 then I could 100% see Porsche building more but when the car is so similar to the already fantastic GT3, it just doesn't make any sense.
 

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Old Apr 3, 2007 | 11:15 AM
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^^So, all things being equal, no markups, etc...if you had a GT3 and a GT3 RS to pick from, you would pick the GT3? Just curious.
 
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No, I chose the RS at MSRP.
But not everyone is as careless with their money as I am. The RS is still $28K more than the GT3 at MSRP.
Further, I have seen at least 7 people on this forum and other forums who had the opportunity to take an RS but chose a GT3 OR another car all together instead.

If it wasn't for Euro del, I would have stuck with my old GT3 as well. The RS is as some of the magazine articles called it - an extravagance over the GT3. Nice to have but really not necessary. Not many people are willing to spend the extra on really, what amounts to be very little.

And the only reason that this price escalation continues to happen is b/c people who are seeing RS's being offered - OFFERED not sold - at $50K above MSRP - want to get in on the action and they in turn perpetuate this demand. Get your hands on an RS, make a quick $50K. Pretty nice and quick return if you can do it, don't you think?

The demand is virtual.
 
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I agree with RR4, I think that the dealerships are to blame. Dealerships aren't going to order more RS's when they have them sitting on their floors already. It's not a matter of too much supply, but simply the fact that dealerships spec'd them out as they wanted them and not how the customers wanted them to make a larger purchase price, therefore, they're going to sit on them since people don't want the cars spec'd in that manner. They really shot themselves in the foot as, many people were willing to pay the premium for the RS which was already quite far above the GT3, but once the dealerships spec'd them with all the bells and whistle's that you'd normally find on a Carrera and not expected on a car such as the GT3RS, it defeats the purpose of paying the premium for the car when they can't order it the way they want ie. sans custom heated butt conforming seat massagers and toe ticklers. I DO however think there will be a very limited number of '08's similar to how there was a VERY limited number of '05 GT2's. The GT2 in Porsche's eyes didn't live up to expectations in sales because the same thing happened, dealers optioned their allocation cars in ways that their customers didn't want which is why there are so many EXTEMELY low mileage GT2's in the market in relative terms to how many were produced. I think with the '08's, they'll probably all be allocated and spec'd to the way people want them and not to how the dealerships want to sell them, since that's what the market is dictating. I think the dealerships need to realize on a niche market car such as this, they need to listen to the customer and leave the "up-sells" to the Carrera 2's and 4's.
 
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Originally Posted by rr4
No, I chose the RS at MSRP.
But not everyone is as careless with their money as I am. The RS is still $28K more than the GT3 at MSRP.
Further, I have seen at least 7 people on this forum and other forums who had the opportunity to take an RS but chose a GT3 OR another car all together instead.

If it wasn't for Euro del, I would have stuck with my old GT3 as well. The RS is as some of the magazine articles called it - an extravagance over the GT3. Nice to have but really not necessary. Not many people are willing to spend the extra on really, what amounts to be very little.

And the only reason that this price escalation continues to happen is b/c people who are seeing RS's being offered - OFFERED not sold - at $50K above MSRP - want to get in on the action and they in turn perpetuate this demand. Get your hands on an RS, make a quick $50K. Pretty nice and quick return if you can do it, don't you think?

The demand is virtual.
Wow. Another person who has an RS thinks that Porsche should not build any more. I understand where you are coming from. Since you got it at MSRP and are taking Euro. Del. I'll asume you ordered the car just the way you wanted. You then say anyone who does not want some over optioned car for 35k over does not want it bad enough. Yah, right.
 
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My dealer prefered not to answer my question about the 2008 model (hmm), and simply says

"Porsche 911 GT 3 RS will be manufactured throughout 2007. I don't know whether we will be getting any more RS' during the fall."
 
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Originally Posted by rr4
If you think Porsche is going to build more cars b/c the ones sitting on the lots aren't what you want then you are all living in fantasy land. Basically, if your not taking one on the lots you really don't want one badly enough.
I disagree, I think there are plenty of people willing to pay the premium that the RS demands over the cost of a standard GT3 at MSRP. The reason they're sitting on lots is because the dealers are asking 50K OVER that premium which comes to about 80K over the cost of a standard GT3 rather than the 30K that it's supposed to at MSRP. In addition to that, they've been spec'd out by dealers in ways that people don't want them which adds even more cost to a vehicle that is nolonger "desirable" based on the specs.

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Porsche won't be increasing any allocation for the RS, there are too many of them already.
There's not too many, there's still not enough of them. Let me use an analogy...Everyone wants a red car, but Porsche only decided to sell only a small amount of red cars and then the rest of the cars are $hit Brown, but Porsche charges even more for $hit Brown paint AND the dealer marks up extra above MSRP. Basically all the Red ones will be snapped up right away with many people wanting one, but nobody wants a $hit Brown car, so those ones are left on the lots. You don't have to be genius to realize...stop making $hit Brown cars! Give the people what they want and you'll sell plenty of cars.
 
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I disagree, I think there are plenty of people willing to pay the premium that the RS demands over the cost of a standard GT3 at MSRP.
and those would prefer tiptronic over 6speed.
 
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Demand is there, at least in CA. To use the $hiet color analogy, probably no one wants Orange (NO offense Orange owners, I like the color myself). However, I know of one Carrara White one, that just sold for the full 44k markup + some at my local dealer. Go figure...if someone wants something, they will pay.
 
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Demand is there, at least in CA. To use the $hiet color analogy, probably no one wants Orange (NO offense Orange owners, I like the color myself). However, I know of one Carrara White one, that just sold for the full 44k markup + some at my local dealer. Go figure...if someone wants something, they will pay.
Wow...that is one driven person!!!
 
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and those would prefer tiptronic over 6speed.
Arling, don't ya think it's time you learn to drive stick?
 
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Arling, don't ya think it's time you learn to drive stick?
ScottKitty,
i think u haven't seen this thread yet?

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ad.php?t=78820
 
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I personally know who is getting number 230 and he was allowed to get a different color scheme. That is a fact.
What color?
 
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Originally Posted by rr4

The demand is virtual.
The RS out sold the Carrera 4 Coupe, the Targa 4, the Targa 4S, and the Carrera 4 Cabriolet for the month of march.
 


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