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Originally Posted by doccao
Jags, your TT looks amazing! Anyways, it's annoying how some 23 y.o. kid who probably doesn't even own a TT yet alone any Lambo would hate on people trying to do a little research which is why this forum exists.
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I heard one of the first mods is to replace the Wal Mart quality OEM Battery.
I hate to say it but it is true, if you are concerned w/cost and worried about maint costs, this car is not something you should be concerned with.
I hate to say it but it is true, if you are concerned w/cost and worried about maint costs, this car is not something you should be concerned with.
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Originally Posted by Vanishing Point
I hate to say it but it is true, if you are concerned w/cost and worried about maint costs, this car is not something you should be concerned with.
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Originally Posted by Vanishing Point
I heard one of the first mods is to replace the Wal Mart quality OEM Battery.
I hate to say it but it is true, if you are concerned w/cost and worried about maint costs, this car is not something you should be concerned with.
I hate to say it but it is true, if you are concerned w/cost and worried about maint costs, this car is not something you should be concerned with.
I want to know what the maintance is like before I buy. You have to do the research before you buy imho. I don't want to buy a money pit.
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Originally Posted by Vanishing Point
I heard one of the first mods is to replace the Wal Mart quality OEM Battery.
I hate to say it but it is true, if you are concerned w/cost and worried about maint costs, this car is not something you should be concerned with.
I hate to say it but it is true, if you are concerned w/cost and worried about maint costs, this car is not something you should be concerned with.
WTF does wanting to know the maint cost, have to do with buying/owning a Murci??? he never said he was concerned and worried, he just wants to know
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Lemme chime in here. The Lambo used to be an acquired taste, at least from the Countach era forward. Compared to a Ferrari, much less user friendly, service, at least in the States, made Ferrari look easy and the overall rep was one which combined impracticality, questionable service and parts availability with a hairy-chested gold chained image. (and that was the females). The Diablo was easier, but softer, and reached its pinnacle in the 6.0
THe Murcie is really a new breed, far easier to drive, to look at, it is almost rational. But, at bottom, despite what some detractors say about it being Audized, it is still an extremely exotic car. It looks exotic, drives exotic and except for the interiors on the early model years, has a quality that I personally find missing from most high end cars.
I opted for the 6.0 Diablo, rather than the Murcie, for all of the above reasons- a little more outre, italian style, much nicer interior (yeah, I know I sound like a decorator on that one, but frankly, you are not buying one of these because you are trying to extract the last iota of performance from a car- these are not track cars, and the weight, all wheel drive, and sheer bulk of the car will quickly convince you otherwise if you don't believe me).
Roy is a good resource for these cars. You really need to make sure you have a good PPI done, and have a competent mechanic, not just a parts-changer, particularly at factory prices for some of the parts. I use Wil de Groot here on the EAst Coast, he is as good as they get in Lambo land. I don't think much of most of the dealers, but the "new" Lambo, as a company, is far more of a real manufacturer than the company used to be. Good luck and join some of the Lambo specific boards if you dare. THere are some very knowledgeable people out there. And, the questions are not unreasonable. The weak points are the shocks, there are tons of bits on the 'Net devoted to the suspension, dunno if it has been changed on the 640- and the clutch, which can last if you know how to drive the car.
Btw, driving one of these is really an event in the truest sense. I had a GT2 set up as a club sport and despite its hardbitten quality, it was very sterile by comparison. My L car reminds me most of a Berlinetta Boxer with lots more power, and a modern suspension.
THe Murcie is really a new breed, far easier to drive, to look at, it is almost rational. But, at bottom, despite what some detractors say about it being Audized, it is still an extremely exotic car. It looks exotic, drives exotic and except for the interiors on the early model years, has a quality that I personally find missing from most high end cars.
I opted for the 6.0 Diablo, rather than the Murcie, for all of the above reasons- a little more outre, italian style, much nicer interior (yeah, I know I sound like a decorator on that one, but frankly, you are not buying one of these because you are trying to extract the last iota of performance from a car- these are not track cars, and the weight, all wheel drive, and sheer bulk of the car will quickly convince you otherwise if you don't believe me).
Roy is a good resource for these cars. You really need to make sure you have a good PPI done, and have a competent mechanic, not just a parts-changer, particularly at factory prices for some of the parts. I use Wil de Groot here on the EAst Coast, he is as good as they get in Lambo land. I don't think much of most of the dealers, but the "new" Lambo, as a company, is far more of a real manufacturer than the company used to be. Good luck and join some of the Lambo specific boards if you dare. THere are some very knowledgeable people out there. And, the questions are not unreasonable. The weak points are the shocks, there are tons of bits on the 'Net devoted to the suspension, dunno if it has been changed on the 640- and the clutch, which can last if you know how to drive the car.
Btw, driving one of these is really an event in the truest sense. I had a GT2 set up as a club sport and despite its hardbitten quality, it was very sterile by comparison. My L car reminds me most of a Berlinetta Boxer with lots more power, and a modern suspension.
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Lemme chime in here. The Lambo used to be an acquired taste, at least from the Countach era forward. Compared to a Ferrari, much less user friendly, service, at least in the States, made Ferrari look easy and the overall rep was one which combined impracticality, questionable service and parts availability with a hairy-chested gold chained image. (and that was the females). The Diablo was easier, but softer, and reached its pinnacle in the 6.0
THe Murcie is really a new breed, far easier to drive, to look at, it is almost rational. But, at bottom, despite what some detractors say about it being Audized, it is still an extremely exotic car. It looks exotic, drives exotic and except for the interiors on the early model years, has a quality that I personally find missing from most high end cars.
I opted for the 6.0 Diablo, rather than the Murcie, for all of the above reasons- a little more outre, italian style, much nicer interior (yeah, I know I sound like a decorator on that one, but frankly, you are not buying one of these because you are trying to extract the last iota of performance from a car- these are not track cars, and the weight, all wheel drive, and sheer bulk of the car will quickly convince you otherwise if you don't believe me).
Roy is a good resource for these cars. You really need to make sure you have a good PPI done, and have a competent mechanic, not just a parts-changer, particularly at factory prices for some of the parts. I use Wil de Groot here on the EAst Coast, he is as good as they get in Lambo land. I don't think much of most of the dealers, but the "new" Lambo, as a company, is far more of a real manufacturer than the company used to be. Good luck and join some of the Lambo specific boards if you dare. THere are some very knowledgeable people out there. And, the questions are not unreasonable. The weak points are the shocks, there are tons of bits on the 'Net devoted to the suspension, dunno if it has been changed on the 640- and the clutch, which can last if you know how to drive the car.
Btw, driving one of these is really an event in the truest sense. I had a GT2 set up as a club sport and despite its hardbitten quality, it was very sterile by comparison. My L car reminds me most of a Berlinetta Boxer with lots more power, and a modern suspension.
THe Murcie is really a new breed, far easier to drive, to look at, it is almost rational. But, at bottom, despite what some detractors say about it being Audized, it is still an extremely exotic car. It looks exotic, drives exotic and except for the interiors on the early model years, has a quality that I personally find missing from most high end cars.
I opted for the 6.0 Diablo, rather than the Murcie, for all of the above reasons- a little more outre, italian style, much nicer interior (yeah, I know I sound like a decorator on that one, but frankly, you are not buying one of these because you are trying to extract the last iota of performance from a car- these are not track cars, and the weight, all wheel drive, and sheer bulk of the car will quickly convince you otherwise if you don't believe me).
Roy is a good resource for these cars. You really need to make sure you have a good PPI done, and have a competent mechanic, not just a parts-changer, particularly at factory prices for some of the parts. I use Wil de Groot here on the EAst Coast, he is as good as they get in Lambo land. I don't think much of most of the dealers, but the "new" Lambo, as a company, is far more of a real manufacturer than the company used to be. Good luck and join some of the Lambo specific boards if you dare. THere are some very knowledgeable people out there. And, the questions are not unreasonable. The weak points are the shocks, there are tons of bits on the 'Net devoted to the suspension, dunno if it has been changed on the 640- and the clutch, which can last if you know how to drive the car.
Btw, driving one of these is really an event in the truest sense. I had a GT2 set up as a club sport and despite its hardbitten quality, it was very sterile by comparison. My L car reminds me most of a Berlinetta Boxer with lots more power, and a modern suspension.
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Originally Posted by integrate
1. They are called Murci for short not Merci and they are exotics so reliability is always an issue
2. If you have to ask you cant afford one
3. Its e-gear and it will be debated by enthusiasts forever as to whats better so pick what you like since your *** has to drive it.
4. Lots of mods for bolt ons i.e. exhaust/ intake, plus great wheel/audio/ custom setups are common
5. A hell of a lot better looking and way more attention grabbing than a P-car but probably slower
2. If you have to ask you cant afford one
3. Its e-gear and it will be debated by enthusiasts forever as to whats better so pick what you like since your *** has to drive it.
4. Lots of mods for bolt ons i.e. exhaust/ intake, plus great wheel/audio/ custom setups are common
5. A hell of a lot better looking and way more attention grabbing than a P-car but probably slower
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I'll throw in my $.02, having spent some time around a Murcielago (I changed the oil on one, and performed some other very routine checks as a favor to a friend/client that was in a bit of a squeeze time-wise) I would have to say the user-friendliness compared to pre-Audi Lambos is other-worldly. Relatively speaking, compared to its predecessor (Diablo 6.0 somewhat exempt) it is extremely user-friendly.
As far as maintenance, with older Lamoborghinis, integrate isn't THAT far off, a carb'd Countach is very finicky in that respect, but once it's set right, it runs pretty good as long as it's driven. The Murcielago is a different animal, with the exception of the few that seem to like to burn to the ground (not unheard of with other Italian exotics), you really don't have a whole lot to worry about. Believe it or not, maintenance on these cars is a relative bargain, and changing the oil is something you can really do yourself if you feel mechanically inclined. From viewing your post history briefly it seems as though you are fairly well-inclined mechanically. If you end up getting one, don't be intimidated to poke around under the hood, for a mid-engine car there's tons of room back there and it's all very much like any other car, except there's a lot more going on.
Everything else has been mentioned, PPI is golden as has already been said. One piece of advice I would have to give is to try to stick to a 6-speed, the e-gears that I've seen tend to eat through clutches, especially if you plan on tooling around town with it.
A final note, these cars don't really need to be modded a whole lot to get the same type of enjoyment as a Porsche. Driving one is an event in and of itself, an exhaust may be about the only thing you'll really find significantly improves the driving experience, and the suspension could use a little help too compared to your 996.
As far as maintenance, with older Lamoborghinis, integrate isn't THAT far off, a carb'd Countach is very finicky in that respect, but once it's set right, it runs pretty good as long as it's driven. The Murcielago is a different animal, with the exception of the few that seem to like to burn to the ground (not unheard of with other Italian exotics), you really don't have a whole lot to worry about. Believe it or not, maintenance on these cars is a relative bargain, and changing the oil is something you can really do yourself if you feel mechanically inclined. From viewing your post history briefly it seems as though you are fairly well-inclined mechanically. If you end up getting one, don't be intimidated to poke around under the hood, for a mid-engine car there's tons of room back there and it's all very much like any other car, except there's a lot more going on.
Everything else has been mentioned, PPI is golden as has already been said. One piece of advice I would have to give is to try to stick to a 6-speed, the e-gears that I've seen tend to eat through clutches, especially if you plan on tooling around town with it.
A final note, these cars don't really need to be modded a whole lot to get the same type of enjoyment as a Porsche. Driving one is an event in and of itself, an exhaust may be about the only thing you'll really find significantly improves the driving experience, and the suspension could use a little help too compared to your 996.
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Jags, coming from the 996TT, a Gallardo might be more to your fancy? Weight and size-wise. Just a thought. You can get an 06 or SE for even less than an earlier Murci, and they have SIMILAR acceleration even. Plus it's newer, with warranty, and nicer interior. Just a thought I'm sure you've considered.
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