2010 TT PDK compared to GT-R
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sigh...........GT-R maintenance nightmare? This information is of course from your first hand experience driving and owning a GTR right? When you say "not to mention all the other problems", what do you mean specifically?. Judging by the cars you have owned or own you know a thing or two about cars. Since I dont know the span of one oil change in the 997tt what is it because I really honestly dont know? Just for the record this "highly reliable Japanese car" you speak of for me has had 2 oil and filter changes at $107 each and some of that special air put in the tires. Now this is at over a year of ownership (14months now and 9000 miles as of today). Total service cost? = $214.00
Now you mean to tell me that my service cost are out of line for a car in this performance category?
I have seen another person quote the service intervals of the 997tt at 20k or 2 years too but you and I both know it would not be prudent to at least change the oil a few times in those 2years.
I still cant belive after all this time people are still getting their information about this car from a magazine or internet post or blog.
At my current rate of driving going to 2 years like your Porsche 997tt I will have changed the oil 3 times in the GTR @ a total price of $321.00. I have to date had no issues or screwed up problems which have made me go to the dealer unexpectedly(whoops sorry I lied about that, I have been to dealer recently to add some more air in the tires). Is this normal for most GTR owners. I would say yes. Now of course if I tracked the car on a frequent basis it would have raised the cost of service and made the intervals more too.
Now you mean to tell me in your 2 years or 20000 miles of ownership with your Porsche you would not have even changed the oil or checked the fluids? I will tell you this if you didnt bother to do that within those 2yr or 20000 miles and you were selling your car I would not buy it over a car that did have its oil and fluids taken care of and just about everyone in here would agree with me on that one too.
Dont get me wrong I love all Porsche's and growing up in Germany I loved everything German. I still marvel at them on the autobahn passing me in the left lane at speeds I couldn't imagine. I remember in late 80's getting a ride in 959 ( memories ).
Anyway I never thought a car could surpass or meet a turbo Porsche toe to toe would be possible. Well the R35 has and Nissan deserves its day!
I absolutly love Porsche's, and thought a GT2 would be my next car but after waiting and waiting on the R35 I am glad I got the Nissan. Porsche has had 40 years of development, refinement, testing on this platform to make it what it is today. Even when Porsche tried to change, phase the out 911 platform with the 928 owners wouldnt have it and probably never will. We will probably still see this basic body shape for another 40 years.
One thing I love about its owners is they are loyal die hard Porsche fans in and out just like Nissan's owners are about the R35 GTR. I didnt buy the Nissan because it is nearly half the cost of a 997tt but because of how it makes me feel when I drive it just like the Porsche does for you.
They are both awesome cars no matter the cost. These things about service cost and all the other things are really trivial. When you sit in the drivers seat of either car you will know which is for you period...............
and I do agree with one thing you said and that is the new 997tt will be a beast!!
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"I still cant belive after all this time people are still getting their information about this car from a magazine or internet post or blog."
This is EXACTLY what drives the perception. Just do a google search on anything related to GT-R issues or maintenance and the new model will be out before you can finish reading it all. It never ends.
If you drive the car aggressively, and why shouldn't you, the trans fluid needs frequent replacement. It's $114 a quart! And it takes 8-10 to fill it up. I could fill up an entire page regarding the transmission and yes allot of it is overblown but not all of it. And now at least in some areas of the world Nissan is replacing entire drivetrains. My point to this is that it completely goes against the perception of what a Japanese car is, highly reliable.
The 997TT is a bulletproof car. Any issues are totally minor if at all. I think the biggest problem is the battery goes flat if you don't use the car and eventually will not hold a charge. Beyond that I can't think of a big problem. The car is generously over engineered. You can easily add 150-200 HP and still have a reliable car.
After a year I changed the oil and filters but believe it or not I was advised against it by the service advisor. I was told that it was completely unnecessary.
Do you think the cars are equal and the Porsche just costs more? Would you own your GT-R out of warranty?
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You guys are very brave if you would own a GT-R out of warranty, I know I don't have the extra funds above $70k for a $20k transmission! Also if you modify the GT-R you are always under the risk of a failure happening and given my luck it would happen one week after the warranty expires! I feel that you can modify a 911 Turbo to 650 hp and still maintain some measure of reliability and maintenance somewhat near to the stock version.
Sorry, not many pictures especially them being together. I stay happy seeing the cars I have but I'm not really fond of taking pictures, you know... ;-) Maybe I will some day... But if you get a chance to come near here, I can personally show them and give you a ride in them, though. I enjoy giving people rides... I love when people scream. Hehe...
I enjoy giving people rides... I love when people scream. Hehe...
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If you drive the car aggressively, and why shouldn't you, the trans fluid needs frequent replacement. It's $114 a quart! And it takes 8-10 to fill it up. I could fill up an entire page regarding the transmission and yes allot of it is overblown but not all of it.After a year I changed the oil and filters but believe it or not I was advised against it by the service advisor. I was told that it was completely unnecessary.
I changed mine once after 18 months (tracked for 7 days - with about 6 auto-x's).
I'm going to track again this year for a scheduled 9 days (starting in two weeks), we'll see how much this car is going to cost me.
Would I own one out of warranty? I almost look forward to it, so I can bulletproof the transmission with no warranty worries (clutches, 1st gear, etc...) for about $8k.
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It is not $114/qt. Not sure where on the interwebz this was retrieved. Even at the dealerships, it is much cheaper, and can be had for about $50-$55/qt from online stores.
I changed mine once after 18 months (tracked for 7 days - with about 6 auto-x's).
I'm going to track again this year for a scheduled 9 days (starting in two weeks), we'll see how much this car is going to cost me.
Would I own one out of warranty? I almost look forward to it, so I can bulletproof the transmission with no warranty worries (clutches, 1st gear, etc...) for about $8k.
I changed mine once after 18 months (tracked for 7 days - with about 6 auto-x's).
I'm going to track again this year for a scheduled 9 days (starting in two weeks), we'll see how much this car is going to cost me.
Would I own one out of warranty? I almost look forward to it, so I can bulletproof the transmission with no warranty worries (clutches, 1st gear, etc...) for about $8k.
InsideLine: 2009 Nissan GT-R: Bargain Supercar Gets Expensive
Consider this: Automatic Transmission Fluid (GT-R specific) lists for $114.98 per quart. That's not a typo-- maybe an accounting error on Nissan's side, but not a typo. Forget Cristal we're going to start seeing hip-hop videos with rappers pouring this stuff on the ground while throwing dollars in the air. Don't worry, though, we didn't pay that. We got a deal; only $84.24 each. What a bargain.
Warranty? If you tracked your car 8 times and only changed the fluid once you have not adhered to the warranty terms anyway. You may as well start the trans mod now...
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Here you go, only 57.88 a quart. Not $114.00. That is typical insane dealer markup.
Ive had a 996 Turbo, and the GT-R no more expensive to own and maintain.
Here you go, only 57.88 a quart. Not $114.00. That is typical insane dealer markup.
Ive had a 996 Turbo, and the GT-R no more expensive to own and maintain.
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Here you go, only 57.88 a quart. Not $114.00. That is typical insane dealer markup.
Ive had a 996 Turbo, and the GT-R no more expensive to own and maintain.
Here you go, only 57.88 a quart. Not $114.00. That is typical insane dealer markup.
Ive had a 996 Turbo, and the GT-R no more expensive to own and maintain.
Bottom line is this... the gtr is a reliable performance car. If it is driven to extremes things will break. If modded then maintenance costs will go up just like with any car. And also like any "specialty, performance vehicle" fluids and the like can and will cost more. Stealerships will try and upcharge and well... mercedes, porsche, bmw etc are all no different. If you are a savy car guy you can find ways to minimize maintenance costs by either doing work yourself and or buying maintenance items cheaper than the dealership.
I have yet to find credible threads citing any other maintenance issues other than trans failures. Which have been addressed by Nissan (ECU/launch control update) and are repaired under warantee. I spoke to a dealership yesterday about a car with considerable mileage on it and asked about the trans. The Sales manager laughed it off and said they have yet to see a single trans failure and also that any and all repairs for the tranmission are covered under warantee as long as the car has not been EXTENSIVELY modified or abused.
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If you were, you'd know that tracking the car does not necessitate a fluid change... Temps do.
Please educate yourself more, before making such an assumption.
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I would hope most of you would treat your brand new cars with the same level of attention that Inside Line does. I can go buy a 10 second " capable " C6 Z06 brand new and never have to worry about scouring the internets and reading multiple forums to get the fluids needed for the car at a discount or to avoid not paying multiple thousands a year to maintain it. Because Joe's Uncle has a brother that owns a GTR and maintains it for 23 cents a year does not mean you can deny the empirical and real data provided by Inside Line on the test GTR that they own.
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Thees guys were seeing some pretty high temps.
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^ Fair enough...
But even at those temps (<280deg), you would not have to change fluids after each event.
It's only when it's over 280deg does Nissan recommend fluid change.
If you are between 250 (I think - I don't remember exactly) and 280deg (more than a few times), you should change in about 1800 - 2000 miles.
If you only go over a few days a year, there really isn't anything to worry about.
The dealership can look at your temps (in case you don't), and tell you if it should be done or not. Mine kept on looking at the fluid itself (because it was their first GT-R as well), and gauged my exchange.
10,500 miles, 7 track days.
I went through 2 sets of brake pads before I went through fluids.
But even at those temps (<280deg), you would not have to change fluids after each event.
It's only when it's over 280deg does Nissan recommend fluid change.
If you are between 250 (I think - I don't remember exactly) and 280deg (more than a few times), you should change in about 1800 - 2000 miles.
If you only go over a few days a year, there really isn't anything to worry about.
The dealership can look at your temps (in case you don't), and tell you if it should be done or not. Mine kept on looking at the fluid itself (because it was their first GT-R as well), and gauged my exchange.
10,500 miles, 7 track days.
I went through 2 sets of brake pads before I went through fluids.
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I would hope most of you would treat your brand new cars with the same level of attention that Inside Line does. I can go buy a 10 second " capable " C6 Z06 brand new and never have to worry about scouring the internets and reading multiple forums to get the fluids needed for the car at a discount or to avoid not paying multiple thousands a year to maintain it. Because Joe's Uncle has a brother that owns a GTR and maintains it for 23 cents a year does not mean you can deny the empirical and real data provided by Inside Line on the test GTR that they own.
Inside line put 30k miles on there GT-R in less than 9 months!!! I followed there blog everyday. It was THE most driven car in there fleet of cars! So of course they are going to go through multiple maintenance on the car.
What they paid for maintenance on that car in 9 mohths, is a cost a normal GT-R owner would probably pay in 3years total! i.e. fluids, tires, brake pads etc... Put 30k miles on any car in 9 months and tell me how much you will pay for maintenance.As well as Inside Line having a endless budget, they dont care about shopping for the best price on fluids, or labor or parts! They had there car serviced at one of the more expensive GT-R certified dealers in there area. Its not about scouring the internets looking for the best price. ITS about being smart and not be taken for a fool by greedy dealerships!
Porsche dealers are the same. In a 10 mile radius I had 3 Porsche dealerships to choose from to service my 996TT. And the variance was tremendous! But its stupid for me to be smart, and just go get raped by the highest price dealership?