Where are the Subaru WRX STI's?
STI's have much better fit and finish....You should at a minimum do the pistons to make decent power....If you build the short block completely then go have fun.....
EVO's make power easier, transmissions and diffs aren't nearly as good as the STI's though....
Both are great cars....
EVO's make power easier, transmissions and diffs aren't nearly as good as the STI's though....
Both are great cars....
Sorry in advance for the massive post, but there's almost no STI threads on here and I haven't noticed this one updated in a while! My STI for the record is a 2011 sedan with a Nameless muffler delete axleback, AEM intake, and Cobb AP with their stage 1 tune specifically for the AEM intake (estimated 350/360 BHP/TQ), plus some minor other mods like Enkei wheels, de-badged, better pads, and a few other things.
Headers don't help you and only hurt you unless 1) you're pushing a rotated turbo kit and 2) you have a tuner that knows how to tune for them. The Subaru headers are more than adequate for anything up to about 400 BHP.
Killer B is one of the pricier but better options out there. Any of the cheaper options are going to crack.
I'm very familiar with Nameless. I had the first axleback for a latest-generation STI in the country after their fitment car. The only issue I've had is the powder coating came off everywhere except the tips, which they offered to fix for free, but never actually got back to me after their offer. Personally I'd go with a Cobb DP as the best in the industry due to the fact they're the only ones who use a cast iron merge collector to keep exhaust gas temps up. Their DP is smaller than some other manufacturers, but they don't seem to have problems making serious power with them!
Why does everyone always go right to coilovers? They're overkill and overcost for 99.99% of people. A high quality set of springs (i.e. NOT Tein S Techs) and shocks (Tokico or Tanabe) are all you really need.
Yes agreed. Rotors aren't really required unless you spend a lot of time on the track, then a set of slotted DBAs would be the best option.
Intakes are much more effective on the late model Subarus (including the WRX and STI) than they were on the older models. I've had my 2 STIs (2004 and 2011) sitting side by side in the driveway to look at the intakes, and the OEM system looks almost exactly the same in both, so I don't know why intakes work a lot better in the newer cars than the older ones. They definitely add a nice sound too since you can much, much, much more clearly hear the turbo spool and EWG. You definitely need to go with a cold air unless you like losing power, and the AEM is made by the OEM supplier for the SPT parts, and it's the best unit made for the car.
Just get a Tactrix cable and skip the AP. The only benefit of the AP is the ease of use and the fact you don't need to go to a tuner. As soon as you do, I'd just go right to a Tactrix cable and laptop. Those numbers are good ones to go with for street/track use. Running anything close to 400+ whp for your street tune is going to result in a blown engine at some point unless you drive like grandma and never push it into boost.
I'm probably one of the few people that has extensive experience with the same Subaru car across sea level and high altitude locations (2004 STi) and it definitely results in a 15% loss. 10% is a number nobody can argue with, and at lower parts of the rev range, I'd say 20% is more realistic. Only at the very top end where the turbo is really spooling do you get anywhere close to sea level numbers.
Why do people say the EVO makes power easier and cheaper? My experience is admittedly zero but how much cheaper than $250 (DP) plus tune ($350) so $600 total can you add 20% more power?
Header upgrades are touted as giving a 10-20hp increase if you go with equal length (EL) setups. The up pipe isn't really giving a gain, but you do that at the same time to ensure compatabillity with the header and turbo.
Not sure why Invidia was suggested for the header, as there are reports of fitment issues... The Tomei seems to be the most popular unit to go with, as it carries a lifetime warranty and gives good gains. FWIW, I have an Invidia divorced DP sitting here, and am waiting to pull the trigger on EL headers, and then will send the whole lot out for JetHot coating before install next spring.
Not sure why Invidia was suggested for the header, as there are reports of fitment issues... The Tomei seems to be the most popular unit to go with, as it carries a lifetime warranty and gives good gains. FWIW, I have an Invidia divorced DP sitting here, and am waiting to pull the trigger on EL headers, and then will send the whole lot out for JetHot coating before install next spring.
Teflon....sorry I have been away.....Some of these questions have already been answered.....
If you do decide to do the upgrades here is what I think is the best on the market currently.
For the header and up pipe I would go with Killer B and also get their oil pan, baffle and pick up as they are designed for track use.
If you do decide to do the upgrades here is what I think is the best on the market currently.
For the header and up pipe I would go with Killer B and also get their oil pan, baffle and pick up as they are designed for track use.
Get a protune on your Cobb Access Port from a reputable tuner. The stock internals are going to be good to roughly 450whp for track days as long as your tune is safe and you have VERY limited knock. Possibly invest in a turbo blanket and heat wrap headers and downpipe. I would assume you would drive around 95% of the time on a street tune at roughly 300-320whp.
LOL.....Your grasp of reality concerning altitude is just out there.....I am very happy with my numbers considering what is done to the car and the numbers are real enough.....Turbo's can't breath or push the same amount of air at 5200+ feet of elevation that it can at sea level....
Ive owned an evo and have an RS4 right now, selling due to going back to school. Either gonna get another STi or go back to an evo again....STi's seem so much more complicated lol from a mechanical stand point and seem more expensive to mod. I had 400whp in my evo on my stock engine, so are you guys saying those same #'s arent really realistic without building the engine? Just wondering because all my evo friends have told me if they could go back, they'd get an STi because they are more reliable. I DD my evo for over a year and never had a single problem at that hp.
STI's have much better fit and finish....You should at a minimum do the pistons to make decent power....If you build the short block completely then go have fun.....
EVO's make power easier, transmissions and diffs aren't nearly as good as the STI's though....
Both are great cars....
EVO's make power easier, transmissions and diffs aren't nearly as good as the STI's though....
Both are great cars....
Last edited by teflon_jones; Mar 11, 2012 at 09:15 AM.
STI's have much better fit and finish....You should at a minimum do the pistons to make decent power....If you build the short block completely then go have fun.....
EVO's make power easier, transmissions and diffs aren't nearly as good as the STI's though....
Both are great cars....
EVO's make power easier, transmissions and diffs aren't nearly as good as the STI's though....
Both are great cars....
Also since you guys seem to have a good amount on knowledge here is an sti I found that seems to be probably the best deal, this one seems like a good deal right? Not a big fan of this body style though
http://eugene.craigslist.org/cto/2871642056.html
No need to wait, my RS4 is paid off already so selling it and dropping down to one of these would leave me with about 20-25k in my pocket and ill probably do a 7-8k loan just to keep building my credit. So that leaves even more cash in my bank from the audi to over 30k. Which is more than enough to pay for the rest of my schooling at bsu
Opus....The STI sedans are excellent cars....They are just a pain in the butt to make decent power above stage 2 compared to an EVO....If you aren't into the power so much then it will do wonders for you.....
Teflon....You definetly picked the most inexpensive route to fixing up the STI and it works for some....As for the suspension I agree a good strut and spring combo with the added sway bars is going to work fantastically.....
I will post up my build thread on here since it will duplicate the threads on nasioc and iwsti....
Teflon....You definetly picked the most inexpensive route to fixing up the STI and it works for some....As for the suspension I agree a good strut and spring combo with the added sway bars is going to work fantastically.....
I will post up my build thread on here since it will duplicate the threads on nasioc and iwsti....
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