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Old Oct 11, 2014 | 06:19 PM
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Dealer just confirmed that my Nov build (Cayenne) will have the new 7.2kw optional onboard charger.

Curious to see if the external charging unit will also be upgraded to 7.2kw (from the current 3.6). Guess I will know in December. Having a 40am circuit installed regardless.
 
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Can't hurt - the difference in cost in materials is very small. In hindsight I really should have insisted on 40 amp service instead of the 20 amp I got.
 
Old Oct 12, 2014 | 08:32 AM
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Can't hurt - the difference in cost in materials is very small. In hindsight I really should have insisted on 40 amp service instead of the 20 amp I got.
if they ran an 8 gauge wire, it would be an easy fix (change the breaker out). But since they set it up for 20 amp, it is probably a thinner gauge.
 
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Yeah, they ran 12 gauge.
 
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Any updates on the day to day use of your S eHyrids? My Cayenne CSEH went into production on the 10/22...so getting closer to my butt in the seat every day. Would love to know if you guys are sticking with the charging every night option (or if it has become a chore) and if you ever charge at public stations.
 
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Charging every night is trivial. I park, I plug it in. A bigger issue was that I had a nasty habit of leaving the charging port open when I left. I'd unplug, put the cord into its rest position, and forget to close the charging port. I did that the first 3 times I drove away from the house, but eventually I got in the habit of remembering.

So far, I've yet to charge at a public station. I did see one in a garage once, but it was sectioned off by parking cones. I think the idea was to prevent gasoline cars from using the parking space, but I was in a little bit of a hurry and had my in-laws along, so I just passed it by rather than stop and ask the attendant if I could use the charger.

I had a New York trip planned at one point, and I looked into public chargers there. It wasn't worth it. Almost all in the Times Square area, in parking garages or not, wanted $0.49 / a kWh to charge. It's cheaper to use gas than to pay for electricity at that rate. Pure electric cars of course don't have the choice.

On electricity or not, the car get amazing gas mileage for a performance car. I did a 350 mile round trip to Vermont, and used half a tank of gas to do it - 10 gallons. My Supra had a maximum cruising range, best case, of about 330-340 miles, using about 16 gallons for a trip of that distance. The 700+ mile estimated range of the Panamera S e Hybrid is a realistic figure for highway cruising.
 
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Any thoughts on how the Cayenne will do with a slightly larger battery?

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/11/03/2...k-spin-review/
 
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@911xpress - It's also slightly heavier. So I am hoping those two cancel each other out.
 

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@gus - yep the charge per kW spots seem to be a bad option ( more $ then gas).

We have may free (or included with paid parking garage access) spots. So I plan to utilize those. With my 7.2kw charger, I should get a full charge in ~90min.
 
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I imagine you'll get similar range, between the larger battery and increased weight.

There are a lot of free charging options in many cities. Downtown New York just turns out to be not one of those places.

One issue I've been having with the car is that there are times it insists on turning the engine on even though the battery has plenty of charge (50% or more). Sometimes the "not-E" symbol comes on. The manual claims it does this for "fuel ventilation" or to check the engine.

Today it was turning the engine on repeatedly without displaying the not-E symbol. I think it was doing it because the 12v battery needed charging, and it couldn't do that and push the car forward on the lithium-ion battery. I have the 12v system voltage set up as a status line, and it was varying between 14v (which is what it reads when the lithium-ion system is charging the 12v system) and 12.3v. It'd charge for a while, turn off, the voltage would drop, and then the engine would come on and the voltage would climb to 13.5 or so.

Bear in mind that I often have a week between times I take the car out. I'm retired, so I don't drive every day. A more daily driver probably won't see this.
 
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Our PSeH has about 6K miles on the clock. The daily charging thing is a complete non-issue.

We are experiencing some type of bug which is causing the charge process to hiccup 75 minutes after it initiates. Every time. I've been keeping a log and have a list of PCC messages saying there was an external interruption. Gonna pass along the data to the dealer when the car goes in on Friday for the alarm fix.

We're definitely seeing a drop in E range now that ambient temps are lower. It's indicating 14 miles of electric these days.

For charging spots, check out:

http://www.plugshare.com/#
 
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im just about to hit 6k too so far i love not having to stop at the gas station.
Im having a house built so i cant charge at home but the apt im in allowed me to put an electrical charging point outside next to a parking space so i can still charge my only concern is i dont know if the equipment is waterproof


I did however call the dealer and found out the EVSE is covered by the warranty so if it breaks they'll replace it.
 
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Originally Posted by bishopdablack
im just about to hit 6k too so far i love not having to stop at the gas station.
Im having a house built so i cant charge at home but the apt im in allowed me to put an electrical charging point outside next to a parking space so i can still charge my only concern is i dont know if the equipment is waterproof


I did however call the dealer and found out the EVSE is covered by the warranty so if it breaks they'll replace it.
The equipment is waterproof for direct exposure to weather.

The "do nots"
Don't submerge.
Don't uses pressurized water to clean.
No extension cords.
Don't use near ammonia or other explosive material.
Avoid direct sunlight


My concern for this equipment is that if someone walks off or otherwise damages that EVSE, you're looking at up to a $2K loss. The handle locks in, so there's a deterrent, but I would be concerned no matter the circumstance.

We've been considering a "cheap" TurboCord for public charging situations.

Have you had any recurring or intermittent charge interruption messages on your PCC?
 
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Great review.

Thank you for sharing.
 
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Is there a way to not lock the charging handle into the car when you are charging? I have read that you have to hit the door unlock to remove it.. but am wondering if you can defeat this.

The reason I ask, is if you are charging at a public station, the accepted procedure seems to be that you can unplug someone's car when it is fully charged to use the port. Would hate to have someone wrestling with the plug if it is locked into my car.

I get the benefit of this if you are using your Porsche charger and dont want it stolen...but I would image 90%+ of charging remotely is not with your Porsche charger (which I would always leave at home).
 


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