996 Turbo / GT2 Turbo discussion on previous model 2000-2005 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo and 911 GT2.

Latest round of mods complete. Gonna dyno next weekend. Predictions?

Thread Tools
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Mar 3, 2017 | 05:20 PM
  #196  
BLKMGK's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,949
From: Virginia
Rep Power: 575
BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !
Seattle - run the filter wrap and you'll be fine. It repels water very well so unless you expect a deep water crossing it should be great.

What parts do you need for your 997 conversion? I happen to have a 997 Y pipe I found mislabeled on eBay if you're interested. Frankly I think a fabbed intake would be better and I understand the fuel cooler has to be tweaked to run the 997 stuff which is no fun

Lastly, considering someone else was all sorts of happy to make power claims based on fuel usage it's kind of amusing to see Sam's power comments dismissed. IMO fuel usage data and A/F readings are pretty useful.

Now, about that twin turbo 928.... heard and read about them and would love to know more
 
Old Mar 3, 2017 | 05:39 PM
  #197  
32krazy!'s Avatar
Banned
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 5,551
From: tn
Rep Power: 628
32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by G-Rat
If anyone is looking for some used filters with filter socks, I'd be willing to sell mine. Just realized they will not fit the bigger inlet diameter of my EFR turbos.

This is what I paid. Make an offer.
i have an extra set of 0710 that i run on my efr turbos
 
Old Mar 6, 2017 | 12:33 PM
  #198  
SeattleTurbo's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 660
From: Bellevue, WA
Rep Power: 82
SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by BLKMGK
Seattle - run the filter wrap and you'll be fine. It repels water very well so unless you expect a deep water crossing it should be great.

What parts do you need for your 997 conversion? I happen to have a 997 Y pipe I found mislabeled on eBay if you're interested. Frankly I think a fabbed intake would be better and I understand the fuel cooler has to be tweaked to run the 997 stuff which is no fun

Lastly, considering someone else was all sorts of happy to make power claims based on fuel usage it's kind of amusing to see Sam's power comments dismissed. IMO fuel usage data and A/F readings are pretty useful.

Now, about that twin turbo 928.... heard and read about them and would love to know more
All I need now is the throttle body which isn't really hard to find... I have an OEM 997 Y pipe but I think now I want an aftermarket/larger one, but I want to make it all fit with the OEM stuff before I go about modifying it...

I'm deleting the fuel cooler. Lot of work required to keep that thing and the benefits are questionable from what I can tell... Turbos outside of US did not have it and most GT3s did not come with it.. I think pwdrhound deleted it on his car and he pushes harder than I ever will. I did have to get ROW AC pipe.. but that is a lot easier than all of the things needed to convert to 997 fuel cooler.
 
Old Mar 6, 2017 | 12:53 PM
  #199  
32krazy!'s Avatar
Banned
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 5,551
From: tn
Rep Power: 628
32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by SeattleTurbo
All I need now is the throttle body which isn't really hard to find... I have an OEM 997 Y pipe but I think now I want an aftermarket/larger one, but I want to make it all fit with the OEM stuff before I go about modifying it...

I'm deleting the fuel cooler. Lot of work required to keep that thing and the benefits are questionable from what I can tell... Turbos outside of US did not have it and most GT3s did not come with it.. I think pwdrhound deleted it on his car and he pushes harder than I ever will. I did have to get ROW AC pipe.. but that is a lot easier than all of the things needed to convert to 997 fuel cooler.
do you have a part # for the a/c pipe?
 
Old Mar 6, 2017 | 01:16 PM
  #200  
SeattleTurbo's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 660
From: Bellevue, WA
Rep Power: 82
SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by 32krazy!
do you have a part # for the a/c pipe?
I can get it when I get home, I'll post it later today or in the morning.
 
Old Mar 6, 2017 | 03:26 PM
  #201  
pwdrhound's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 4,848
Rep Power: 457
pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by SeattleTurbo
All I need now is the throttle body which isn't really hard to find... I have an OEM 997 Y pipe but I think now I want an aftermarket/larger one, but I want to make it all fit with the OEM stuff before I go about modifying it...

I'm deleting the fuel cooler. Lot of work required to keep that thing and the benefits are questionable from what I can tell... Turbos outside of US did not have it and most GT3s did not come with it.. I think pwdrhound deleted it on his car and he pushes harder than I ever will. I did have to get ROW AC pipe.. but that is a lot easier than all of the things needed to convert to 997 fuel cooler.
I deleted my A/C but even with A/C you will also need the non cooler fuel line that goes across the top of the motor from bank 1 to bank 2. My understanding is that a majority of the TT/GT2 cars had the cooler worldwide with only a few geographic areas as non cooler cars. If running the stock fuel pump, my guess is you will be fine. With a high flow pump and high ambient temps, likely not. At least that was my experience.

With a high flow walbro 450 I experienced fuel overheating (boiling) and as a result ended up going to an on demand fuel system which regulates pump output based on engine demand. This drastically reduces fuel bypass (recirculating) which in turn greatly reduced fuel heating. At idle, we run the fuel pump just enough to maintain 3.2 bar with the fpr fully closed which essentially eliminates any fuel bypass. Fuel pump output is increased with a rise in RPM or an increase in boost. This works extremely well as I have not had any issues since.

Contrary to popular belief, the greatest fuel heating on a fixed output pump set up will be with the car stationary at idle (stop and go bumper to bumper traffic) because this is where fuel demand is lowest and fuel bypass (reheating) the highest. Lowering the pump output at low power demand was key to keeping fuel temps in check without the fuel cooler. Just my experience, YMMV. The stock GT3 pump output is rather meager and as such no cooler is needed in my opinion.
 

Last edited by pwdrhound; Mar 6, 2017 at 03:55 PM.
Old Mar 6, 2017 | 03:33 PM
  #202  
flewis763's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 829
From: Fargo, ND
Rep Power: 76
flewis763 has a reputation beyond reputeflewis763 has a reputation beyond reputeflewis763 has a reputation beyond reputeflewis763 has a reputation beyond reputeflewis763 has a reputation beyond reputeflewis763 has a reputation beyond reputeflewis763 has a reputation beyond reputeflewis763 has a reputation beyond reputeflewis763 has a reputation beyond reputeflewis763 has a reputation beyond reputeflewis763 has a reputation beyond repute
I don't run the oem fuel cooler but do run an air cooler up front where my front diff was.




 
Old Mar 6, 2017 | 07:10 PM
  #203  
BLKMGK's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,949
From: Virginia
Rep Power: 575
BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !BLKMGK Is a GOD !
Call Sean at SRM regarding throttlebodies, he's got a few in stock and may have what you want especially f you wa t to go big.
 
Old Mar 7, 2017 | 01:12 PM
  #204  
SeattleTurbo's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 660
From: Bellevue, WA
Rep Power: 82
SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by pwdrhound
I deleted my A/C but even with A/C you will also need the non cooler fuel line that goes across the top of the motor from bank 1 to bank 2. My understanding is that a majority of the TT/GT2 cars had the cooler worldwide with only a few geographic areas as non cooler cars. If running the stock fuel pump, my guess is you will be fine. With a high flow pump and high ambient temps, likely not. At least that was my experience.

With a high flow walbro 450 I experienced fuel overheating (boiling) and as a result ended up going to an on demand fuel system which regulates pump output based on engine demand. This drastically reduces fuel bypass (recirculating) which in turn greatly reduced fuel heating. At idle, we run the fuel pump just enough to maintain 3.2 bar with the fpr fully closed which essentially eliminates any fuel bypass. Fuel pump output is increased with a rise in RPM or an increase in boost. This works extremely well as I have not had any issues since.

Contrary to popular belief, the greatest fuel heating on a fixed output pump set up will be with the car stationary at idle (stop and go bumper to bumper traffic) because this is where fuel demand is lowest and fuel bypass (reheating) the highest. Lowering the pump output at low power demand was key to keeping fuel temps in check without the fuel cooler. Just my experience, YMMV. The stock GT3 pump output is rather meager and as such no cooler is needed in my opinion.
I'm running a 450 with a PWM controller that ramps up the pump output as boost builds.. Kinda set the same way, barely any flow at idle and uses a potentiometer linked to throttle to increase flow, and a boost switch that kicks it to full output at a set psi.. Researched and built this after talking with you many months ago .

Right now I'm running all of that through mostly stock fuel system outside of the pump and feed line, but when I do remove the cooler I'm going to have a feed to each rail from a Y-block and return from each rail to a regulator... Building an E85 fuel system so I can turn the power up on the street, then for the track days drain the tank, add 100 octane and run a more conservative tune.

32krazy I forgot to dig out the part last night, I had family fly in and was busy, I'll get it tonight
 
Old Mar 7, 2017 | 01:38 PM
  #205  
32krazy!'s Avatar
Banned
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 5,551
From: tn
Rep Power: 628
32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by SeattleTurbo
I'm running a 450 with a PWM controller that ramps up the pump output as boost builds.. Kinda set the same way, barely any flow at idle and uses a potentiometer linked to throttle to increase flow, and a boost switch that kicks it to full output at a set psi.. Researched and built this after talking with you many months ago .

Right now I'm running all of that through mostly stock fuel system outside of the pump and feed line, but when I do remove the cooler I'm going to have a feed to each rail from a Y-block and return from each rail to a regulator... Building an E85 fuel system so I can turn the power up on the street, then for the track days drain the tank, add 100 octane and run a more conservative tune.

32krazy I forgot to dig out the part last night, I had family fly in and was busy, I'll get it tonight
no worries. remember when you go to e85 you burn a 1/3 more fuel than gas. so everything has to be increased. pump size lines and injectors. also e85 is hydroscopic so it absorbs water. the use of external s/s fuel filters with removable mesh are a good thing to use to trap debris and water. the e85 will descale the inside of your tank and run all the junk thru the lines.

i use a weldon external fpr and an-8 lines with a weldon 100 micron filter and srm brushless fuel pump setup with computer controller. e85 analyzer wired to my proefi 128 for on the fly adjustment of the e85 files
 
Old Mar 7, 2017 | 01:38 PM
  #206  
pwdrhound's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 4,848
Rep Power: 457
pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !pwdrhound Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by SeattleTurbo
I'm running a 450 with a PWM controller that ramps up the pump output as boost builds.. Kinda set the same way, barely any flow at idle and uses a potentiometer linked to throttle to increase flow, and a boost switch that kicks it to full output at a set psi.. Researched and built this after talking with you many months ago .
Ahh, now I remember talking to you about it last year. You're all set!
 
Old Mar 7, 2017 | 01:49 PM
  #207  
SeattleTurbo's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 660
From: Bellevue, WA
Rep Power: 82
SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by 32krazy!
no worries. remember when you go to e85 you burn a 1/3 more fuel than gas. so everything has to be increased. pump size lines and injectors. also e85 is hydroscopic so it absorbs water. the use of external s/s fuel filters with removable mesh are a good thing to use to trap debris and water. the e85 will descale the inside of your tank and run all the junk thru the lines.

i use a weldon external fpr and an-8 lines with a weldon 100 micron filter and srm brushless fuel pump setup with computer controller. e85 analyzer wired to my proefi 128 for on the fly adjustment of the e85 files
Yep.. I'm going -10 from tank split into two -8 to feed each rail, then -6 return from each rail to Weldon FPR and -8 back to tank. Also going to use the Weldon wire mesh filter. Should be plenty of flow way more than I plan to use. My goals are not lofty, but I would rather overkill it and only do it once.

Only thing that will hold me back will be that Im using stock rails modified rather than billets, and injector size, but that's easy to swap out relative to having to re-run all the lines and stuff.
 
Old Mar 7, 2017 | 01:52 PM
  #208  
SeattleTurbo's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 660
From: Bellevue, WA
Rep Power: 82
SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !SeattleTurbo Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by pwdrhound
Ahh, now I remember talking to you about it last year. You're all set!
Yep! I really appreciate all the advice you've shared on my project so far As well as the awesome parts.. One last track event with the stock diff this weekend.. Can't wait to get the Guards in.
 
Old Mar 7, 2017 | 02:12 PM
  #209  
32krazy!'s Avatar
Banned
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 5,551
From: tn
Rep Power: 628
32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !32krazy! Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by SeattleTurbo
Yep.. I'm going -10 from tank split into two -8 to feed each rail, then -6 return from each rail to Weldon FPR and -8 back to tank. Also going to use the Weldon wire mesh filter. Should be plenty of flow way more than I plan to use. My goals are not lofty, but I would rather overkill it and only do it once.

Only thing that will hold me back will be that Im using stock rails modified rather than billets, and injector size, but that's easy to swap out relative to having to re-run all the lines and stuff.
no need to run an-10. way to much overkill. run an-8 from tank to back split to an-6 if you have to run the oem rails modded and an-6 back to the tank. more than enough fuel. at the split go to each side from the front of the pass rail cross back to the fpr then out to the d/s front of the rail. bottom of the fpr gets the return line. add a guage for visual fpr readings. i also have a 5 bar proefi sensor that runs to my 128. you could run a e85 analyzer on the return line and wire it to a gauge to see what the e85 content is your running. use a e60 file on the dme and you will be fine with most any pump efuel
 
Old May 2, 2017 | 12:26 PM
  #210  
ADAMNSONS's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 437
From: Laguna Beach, CA
Rep Power: 37
ADAMNSONS is a splendid one to beholdADAMNSONS is a splendid one to beholdADAMNSONS is a splendid one to beholdADAMNSONS is a splendid one to beholdADAMNSONS is a splendid one to beholdADAMNSONS is a splendid one to behold
Originally Posted by 996tt550hp
Let's bring this thread back
+1 !!

Curious how it will measure up.
 


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:21 AM.