Due to the significant changes to the new 997.2 Turbo and 997.2 models, it may be time for a new category. Obviously putting a whole new engine into the new vehicles has caused quite a stir amongst 6speeders, especially those in the 997.1 turbo category. Unfortunately without a new category labeled "997.2/Turbo/GT2" we will continue to see so much hate in the 997.1 column toward the 997.2 turbo. Now that the car is coming and the engine is confirmed I see that as an appropriate move for the site. There are definitely enough changes to warrant a new category. For comparison, look at it this way. No one with 996 Turbos are going into the 997.1 section and bashing that car? Yet many top 6 speed users (who ironically own 997.1 turbos) constantly bash the new turbo and have done so beginning over a year ago.
Given so many changes to the 997.2 engine it just makes sense. I believe its time for a new category for 997.2 owners and then 997.1 owners can continue to bash in their own category, without the confusion.
Then, if they still choose to enter hater comments in the 997.2 category...I guess thats another story. To be honest, Im just sick of hearing the hate posts from other Porsche owners calling it devolutionary, VW parts, Cheap, etc. And it is clear that Porsche was making this car for a long time before VW stepped in. I know its just a matter of time before the 997.1 owners turn their act around, but until then, and apart from that, I do believe a new category is imminent.
Im truly surprised to hear such comments from Porsche owners, but I suppose its just justification for 997.1 owners who are protecting their investment in their heads.
I do value opinions, but it is a different car.

Definitely time to add a new category.
Can you really say that its not?

 

There is no reason to add a new category because you are afraid of those who "hate" the new turbo engine. If you do, all those so-called "haters" will just fill up the new forum with their posts. This is supposedly an 'open' placve to air one's views, as long as they don't become too contentious.

In my estimation, the different forums should be model-specific, as they are here, and even more so on Rennlist. If you think you garnered animosity from these threads, you should have seen how people argued endlessly about the Nissan GTR's lap time at the Nurburgring.

 

I agree...I don't see any reason for a new category...but whatever...

 

I have no problem with people expressing their views, but the sole fact that the entire engine in the 997.2 vehicles has been changed, not to mention...
PDK, DFI, Different wheels, Different PCM, seats, suspension, and a host of other options....it may still be a 997, but is it not obvious that the significant changes....good or bad....(opinion) warrant a new category...or subcategory?
How can they even compare really?
Even if nothing changed on the car...except for the the engine...that alone warrants a new category. The entire heart of the car has changed, thus making it difficult to directly compare or discuss with current models.
I hope you understand....when you really think about it...it is paramount to add a new category. I also very much value opinions on the new cars, as Im sure everyone else does.

 

Well look,they didnt add a new category for 997.2 carreras(which already released more than a year) with new engine so they won't add one for 997tt.2 for sure..Pointless opinion really.

 

I understand that LINT..but they should.
Not pointless...but thanks.
How different would you say your 997 Turbo is from the new one?

 

There shouldn't be a separation of categories, people who come on here to get advice and see what others are saying should be aware of the dramatic changes between the 997.1TT and the 997.2TT and then filter that information and decide what model works best for them.

Some of the comments may border on hate but Im sure overall its a good discussion, seeing as how the TT has always been a very solid motor and the tuners have definitely proven that taking to huge HP numbers without destroying the stock internals.

Im not a big HP guy myself but I do track my car often and its my daily driver, and knowing that the engine can handle much more HP leaves me with a secure feeling that I can enjoy the car for years to come and not baby it.

The new engine is just that, a new engine, so what it can do is yet to be determined. But given how a lot of car companies are steering away from a hardcore performance perspective, it is important for potential buyers to be aware of whats going on. Sure its just conjecture atm, but when you spend $100+K for a new car, you should be fully informed.

 

I love my GT1 motor, but I'm looking forward to the future potential of this new engine and seeing Porsche update and evolve it for the next few years.

One thing is for sure: a stock PDK 997.2 Turbo is dangerous at the stoplight, and for that, I am happy

 

agreed.
Im not saying I dont respect opinions and facts and useful information.
Even a few jabs here and there.
Focus back on my main point.
Those who own the current 997.1 with the GT1 block continue to say just how
Completely Different the two cars are. So why are they even in the same category. It may be a 997 but it is a 997.2...if porsche had changed it to a 998 or 991 it would have a new category...just like 996...993...etc.
Does anyone see what I am saying?
You cant change a car any more than changing the entire engine?
So how could it not have its own category?

 

I do see where you are coming from. Even though it is the same model (997) there are still major differences internally to have it categories as it's own. Just like the carrera. Even simple discussions such as the exhaust system would most probably be different. The 997.2c2s has an extra muffler for example. Maybe having another category by it's own can make sharing information more easy. The engine is completely changed as well as many other parts so I am sure that any talk about the 997.2 wether if it is regarding problems encountered or modification will have very l;ittle to no correlation with the 997. Not a bad thought.

 

Thank you PorscheBoy...I appreciate your recognition and understanding of my points. You said it right.
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I say we continue to have it out: GT1 shnobs vs the 9A1 car owners. The 9A1 turbos will be faster and from what I hear, the tuners will be very pleased with the new Turbo.

 

Anyone want to re-hatch this?
Anyone feeling differently about the new car?

Or is everyone still complaining about the 9A1 being no good?

Just wondering.