991 Turbo.... I Fear It May Be.... Boring?
Have the 991TTS for about a month.
I understand the sentiment about boring. I use it as a semi-DD as I have a large sedan (S8) when I need and a 997GT3 RS when i need lots of involvement.
991TTS is mega-composed. You have to drive 95 down a 45 mile country road to make it really feel "exciting". That isn't safe, I don't do it. I think this is going to be the conundrum for this car from here on out....they have figured out how to give it such crazy performance without it heading tail first into a tree that the true enthusiasts are going to be underwhelmed.
Not starting a fight -- just interested what are the Modern daily driver (so nothing crazy impractical) sports cars that people are finding non-boring?
I understand the sentiment about boring. I use it as a semi-DD as I have a large sedan (S8) when I need and a 997GT3 RS when i need lots of involvement.
991TTS is mega-composed. You have to drive 95 down a 45 mile country road to make it really feel "exciting". That isn't safe, I don't do it. I think this is going to be the conundrum for this car from here on out....they have figured out how to give it such crazy performance without it heading tail first into a tree that the true enthusiasts are going to be underwhelmed.
Not starting a fight -- just interested what are the Modern daily driver (so nothing crazy impractical) sports cars that people are finding non-boring?
Thanks for the imput guys.
I only have around 120 miles on the car. I did not test drive it when it came in due to weather, and truth be told, I would have bought it anyways.
I am going to try and get just a little more seat time in it, but the reality is, I got such a smoking good deal on it, I can walk away almost unhurt if I sell it back to the dealer.
The problem is that there is just nothing in that price range that I feel is going to blow me away. I've already done the GT3. I really did like that car, but missed the turbo grunt ( Go figure, lol )
I love, love, love my Gallardo. Being the last manual Lamborghini will ever make, adds some special feelings for it too. Which in turn, makes me make it a garage queen. I may look into another R8 V10 Manual. Not sure...
I'd really like to fall in love with the Turbo. But I just fear it is not going to happen, and those who know me, know.... Once I'm set on something, it happens. I'm pretty sure the car will move down the road.
Anyone car to comment on "F" Cars. Can I buy one and not spend my savings on keeping it running?
Mike
I only have around 120 miles on the car. I did not test drive it when it came in due to weather, and truth be told, I would have bought it anyways.
I am going to try and get just a little more seat time in it, but the reality is, I got such a smoking good deal on it, I can walk away almost unhurt if I sell it back to the dealer.
The problem is that there is just nothing in that price range that I feel is going to blow me away. I've already done the GT3. I really did like that car, but missed the turbo grunt ( Go figure, lol )
I love, love, love my Gallardo. Being the last manual Lamborghini will ever make, adds some special feelings for it too. Which in turn, makes me make it a garage queen. I may look into another R8 V10 Manual. Not sure...
I'd really like to fall in love with the Turbo. But I just fear it is not going to happen, and those who know me, know.... Once I'm set on something, it happens. I'm pretty sure the car will move down the road.
Anyone car to comment on "F" Cars. Can I buy one and not spend my savings on keeping it running?
Mike
Anyone who finds a TT/S boring probably should have ticked the "GT3" box instead. Been there, done it.... have the T-shirt!
I'm coming from a GT3 with Sharkwerks by-pass, and a ton of other stuff. It's definitely a "precision" car that sounds amazing at 8400rpm... (now 9,000!)
But I'm really looking forward to something much less edgy and raw, but still has the ability to excite!!
Time to move on, and looking forward to the change!
I'm coming from a GT3 with Sharkwerks by-pass, and a ton of other stuff. It's definitely a "precision" car that sounds amazing at 8400rpm... (now 9,000!)
But I'm really looking forward to something much less edgy and raw, but still has the ability to excite!!
Time to move on, and looking forward to the change!
I still have my GT3. If you are going to drive on a track or have really great roads, then it is the car for you. Those who own it would NEVER consider driving it as a daily driver for very longunless you have a well padded **** and ear buds.. It was the first GT3 I had ever owned. I drove it 600 miles to my home from the dealer and promptly bought aVW Golf GTI for daily use.
this is my third turbo, and like the others I will occasionally take it to the track. It will do as well as my Gt3--in my arms.
My Merc was bulldozer of a mustang GT of a fast car. It was like driving a very fast Buick.
The 2013 911 cab did not drive any better than this turbo, and I felt it was way under powered.
Finally, For those "purists" who believe the only sports car is one that has manual, I would reply that the PDK in manual is about engaging as you want it to be.. If you haven't tried it, and if you have tried it but only across town on a test drive, you have got it all wrong.
Finally, the absolutely best porsche I have ever driven was the porsche boxster spyder Now that was a machine--also underpowered, but was glued to the road
this is my third turbo, and like the others I will occasionally take it to the track. It will do as well as my Gt3--in my arms.
My Merc was bulldozer of a mustang GT of a fast car. It was like driving a very fast Buick.
The 2013 911 cab did not drive any better than this turbo, and I felt it was way under powered.
Finally, For those "purists" who believe the only sports car is one that has manual, I would reply that the PDK in manual is about engaging as you want it to be.. If you haven't tried it, and if you have tried it but only across town on a test drive, you have got it all wrong.
Finally, the absolutely best porsche I have ever driven was the porsche boxster spyder Now that was a machine--also underpowered, but was glued to the road

I like a nice purposeful exhaust note, but there is nice and there is obnoxious, hehehe!
With the Burmeister, for example, if you are listening to classical you can make out the individual instruments you are hearing better than you can with the Bose, may be the best way to describe it.
Good option and worth the money. The 6 disc in dash changer that comes with it is also a nice bonus, as I tend to put 6 CDs in the car and listen to them for a long time before swapping them out.
I agree.
I had a C2S Cab with the Bose, and the Burmeister blows it away. Moreover, it is the subtleties in the instruments that I hear better with the Burmeister, and that continues with higher volumes if you choose it. Very good deep base response even at very low volumes. I'm not an audiophile by any means, just what my Earometer tells me. I like the "Live" option on the Burmeister music conditioner settings more than "Surround" or "Smooth."
With the Burmeister, for example, if you are listening to classical you can make out the individual instruments you are hearing better than you can with the Bose, may be the best way to describe it.
Good option and worth the money. The 6 disc in dash changer that comes with it is also a nice bonus, as I tend to put 6 CDs in the car and listen to them for a long time before swapping them out.
With the Burmeister, for example, if you are listening to classical you can make out the individual instruments you are hearing better than you can with the Bose, may be the best way to describe it.
Good option and worth the money. The 6 disc in dash changer that comes with it is also a nice bonus, as I tend to put 6 CDs in the car and listen to them for a long time before swapping them out.
My wife's last 3 Lexus cars went from stock sound to Mark Levinson and back to stock....
I guess my "personal auditory systems" have been rode hard and put up wet waaaaay to many times at the countless rock concerts of a misspent youth to be able to discern the fidelity nuances needed to justify the price of admission.
While I appreciate the nuance, I'm happy for those that can and do and hear the difference.
I guess my "personal auditory systems" have been rode hard and put up wet waaaaay to many times at the countless rock concerts of a misspent youth to be able to discern the fidelity nuances needed to justify the price of admission.
While I appreciate the nuance, I'm happy for those that can and do and hear the difference.
Personally, I don't find the car boring at all, but this is such a subjective issue and each owner can do what they want.
I was in Atlanta and passed the dealership I bought my TTS at and just ahead of me by a few cars was a GT3, not sure of the year, probably 997 Gen. This thing was so obnoxiously loud, you could hear it over my booming Burmeister 40 yards away. Braaaaaaaaaaap, braaaaaaaap with each gear change. Way louder than any fart can equipped Ricer car I have heard as. Totally dominated all the sound on a busy 4 lane road, not in a good way either. Louder than any Harley I have heard as well. If that is what is missing in the 991 TT, then it can stay missing IMO.
I was in Atlanta and passed the dealership I bought my TTS at and just ahead of me by a few cars was a GT3, not sure of the year, probably 997 Gen. This thing was so obnoxiously loud, you could hear it over my booming Burmeister 40 yards away. Braaaaaaaaaaap, braaaaaaaap with each gear change. Way louder than any fart can equipped Ricer car I have heard as. Totally dominated all the sound on a busy 4 lane road, not in a good way either. Louder than any Harley I have heard as well. If that is what is missing in the 991 TT, then it can stay missing IMO.
As much as I wanted to tell myself that I really wanted that rawness of the GT3, having loved my 991 C2S so much for the NA engine and sounds, I know in my heart that I am more of a TTS guy. I like the precision handling and the massive torque rush. A TTS for most road drivers is the correct car. Fact is that many GT3 owners who "must have" that rawness end up garaging them and ultimately trading them. This excludes the hard core track users. For them-perfect machine. The 991 generation of the GT3 being so much more road compliant is attracting many more road users and I suspect you'll see many more realizing that the TT/TTS is the more appropriate car after time.
As much as we hear people complaining about the lack of a MT availability for the TTS, reality is that a very small percentage of drivers actually ORDERED one in the 997. It is technology and it will eventually be the standard in all performance brands as it already is in many now. Frankly, I'd hate to be the guy lined up next to me with a manual while I ripped off millisecond shifts. He'd drop back by car lengths on shifts alone. Same with the electronic steering. Personally, I get plenty of road feel. I always know the contact that the tires are making and the composition of the road beneath me. It's technology and it may as well be fully embraced as "better" in terms of performance. Does the prospect of rowing the gears add some involvement? For some I am sure it does. However, involvement is also subjective. For many involvement consists of the "throw you back in your seat" feel experienced by a mash of the throttle. The car accelerates like a jet and carves up roads like nothing I have ever driven. I am quite happy. In fact, so much so that I am cancelling my GT3 allocation. (well, i keep telling myself that but I never seem to make the call-ha!). Maybe I'll get a lift in the garage!

Btw. Which dealer in Atl. did you purchase from? I got mine at Hennessy. I am in East Cobb. You?
Last edited by ColdList; Feb 26, 2014 at 06:51 PM.
I feel the same way as you. The TTS cab I just purchased is amazing as was the 991 TT I had before it for a week.
As much as I wanted to tell myself that I really wanted that rawness of the GT3, having loved my 991 C2S so much for the NA engine and sounds, I know in my heart that I am more of a TTS guy. I like the precision handling and the massive torque rush. A TTS for most road drivers is the correct car. Fact is that many GT3 owners who "must have" that rawness end up garaging them and ultimately trading them. This excludes the hard core track users. For them-perfect machine. The 991 generation of the GT3 being so much more road compliant is attracting many more road users and I suspect you'll see many more realizing that the TT/TTS is the more appropriate car after time.
As much as we hear people complaining about the lack of a MT availability for the TTS, reality is that a very small percentage of drivers actually ORDERED one in the 997. It is technology and it will eventually be the standard in all performance brands as it already is in many now. Frankly, I'd hate to be the guy lined up next to me with a manual while I ripped off millisecond shifts. He'd drop back by car lengths on shifts alone. Same with the electronic steering. Personally, I get plenty of road feel. I always know the contact that the tires are making and the composition of the road beneath me. It's technology and it may as well be fully embraced as "better" in terms of performance. Does the prospect of rowing the gears add some involvement? For some I am sure it does. However, involvement is also subjective. For many involvement consists of the "throw you back in your seat" feel experienced by a mash of the throttle. The car accelerates like a jet and carves up roads like nothing I have ever driven. I am quite happy. In fact, so much so that I am cancelling my GT3 allocation. (well, i keep telling myself that but I never seem to make the call-ha!). Maybe I'll get a lift in the garage!
Btw. Which dealer in Atl. did you purchase from? I got mine at Hennessy. I am in East Cobb. You?
As much as I wanted to tell myself that I really wanted that rawness of the GT3, having loved my 991 C2S so much for the NA engine and sounds, I know in my heart that I am more of a TTS guy. I like the precision handling and the massive torque rush. A TTS for most road drivers is the correct car. Fact is that many GT3 owners who "must have" that rawness end up garaging them and ultimately trading them. This excludes the hard core track users. For them-perfect machine. The 991 generation of the GT3 being so much more road compliant is attracting many more road users and I suspect you'll see many more realizing that the TT/TTS is the more appropriate car after time.
As much as we hear people complaining about the lack of a MT availability for the TTS, reality is that a very small percentage of drivers actually ORDERED one in the 997. It is technology and it will eventually be the standard in all performance brands as it already is in many now. Frankly, I'd hate to be the guy lined up next to me with a manual while I ripped off millisecond shifts. He'd drop back by car lengths on shifts alone. Same with the electronic steering. Personally, I get plenty of road feel. I always know the contact that the tires are making and the composition of the road beneath me. It's technology and it may as well be fully embraced as "better" in terms of performance. Does the prospect of rowing the gears add some involvement? For some I am sure it does. However, involvement is also subjective. For many involvement consists of the "throw you back in your seat" feel experienced by a mash of the throttle. The car accelerates like a jet and carves up roads like nothing I have ever driven. I am quite happy. In fact, so much so that I am cancelling my GT3 allocation. (well, i keep telling myself that but I never seem to make the call-ha!). Maybe I'll get a lift in the garage!

Btw. Which dealer in Atl. did you purchase from? I got mine at Hennessy. I am in East Cobb. You?
I'm sure your Cab is great. I have the glass roof on my TTS. I got mine from Hennessy as well. I'm in the Dunwoody area.
-Mike
svoshop ....
The reason you think the car is 'boring' is because you have too many toys to drive IMO.
If you just have ONE really quick car, you won't be bored with the Turbo car.
Even if I could afford a bevy of fast cars, I'd still be in the Porsche Turbo genre'. I don't need more than one to make me smile.
The reason you think the car is 'boring' is because you have too many toys to drive IMO.
If you just have ONE really quick car, you won't be bored with the Turbo car.
Even if I could afford a bevy of fast cars, I'd still be in the Porsche Turbo genre'. I don't need more than one to make me smile.
svoshop ....
The reason you think the car is 'boring' is because you have too many toys to drive IMO.
If you just have ONE really quick car, you won't be bored with the Turbo car.
Even if I could afford a bevy of fast cars, I'd still be in the Porsche Turbo genre'. I don't need more than one to make me smile.
The reason you think the car is 'boring' is because you have too many toys to drive IMO.
If you just have ONE really quick car, you won't be bored with the Turbo car.
Even if I could afford a bevy of fast cars, I'd still be in the Porsche Turbo genre'. I don't need more than one to make me smile.





