Adams car was always faster than mine. Even in the race that I won, I beat him off the line, otherwise he would have won that race too. There is no doubt that he's a 9 second car. Remember, I have nothing more than a tune.

 

Guys, don't fall for the old bait and switch routine. Why immediately look where someone is pointing and shouting? Maybe COBB is tuned conservatively enough where the ecu does not need to overcorrect and dial back a ton of power. The beauty is that you have the ability, at any single moment you wish, to look at the logs and check to see how happy your car is. There are no secrets, gimmicks, cheat codes, etc to pull a log and view every single parameter being processed by your ecu. You will know if you have sky high IATs and the car isn't dialing back to protect itself. You'll know if there is timing correction because it is knocking, etc. If you don't know what you are looking at, there are also plenty of avenues to take to have someone who does look and explain what your car is doing. Complete transparency.


I did look at logs from both COBB cars throughout the day at the track and also last night while on the train because I was bored. At times the cars would pull back a little as temps went up but then again I also did not see insane IATs either. Both cars were looking happy and healthy. If the cars weren't so consistent, it would actually concern me more as they would be losing several mph and tenths from run to run.

 

For this run I think it was my wife, but I ran against you 2-3 times after, you pulled on me every single time.

 

Nicely stated but that is not the American way. When someone is doing something better and a product is better then the first defense is "well that must not be made with the same quality or in this case they must not be making all that power SAFELY". BTW I am not saying either is better continue reading below.

Why I keep coming back I don't know for this sausage fest pain.

End of the day boys. Talk and share the experience, that's awesome, but if you want to compare who's tune is better run the same car, with the same driver on the same track in the same lane and the only thing you change is the tune. If not this who is faster or not is painful.

 

I don't sell cars or mods here. No bait and switch. If Cobb has found a way to make as much power safely from a tune and high flow cats as GIAC makes with intercoolers, catless exhaust, plenum and race gas/race tune then it will take over the market completely.

 

If COBB has found a way to make more power safely I'm sure the guys At GIAC will release an update or play around with their tunes. I doubt they would leave their customers with an inferior product with all the tools at their disposal and reputation.
I for one at least hope so.

 

Unfortunately, this thread is walking around in circles. The callouts and speculation are just too redundant. I hope so, but don't think it will ever stop. One thing after another. Let the chips fall where they may. I personally am over trying to push my busy customers and friends to go out of their way to the track just to convince a couple of people (sorry guys). Everyone should go just to have fun when it works for them and make friends. Not going in polite circles back and forth conceding and attesting/countering and objecting. Enjoy your cars everyone. If you like Coke enjoy it. If you like Pepsi enjoy it. The times and proofs are coming. Constant taste testing and talking about it is turning this into something it doesn't need to be. There's room for everyone. There doesn't have to be a good and evil. I keep getting calls from people asking me for details why one is so much better. These are different products. For some people one is better. One is best in some cases. Am I the only one who is worn out by it? Whosever soda I serve, the client will get the best customer service and I will only provide something that I believe in and suits the customers needs. A lot of us are this way. Remember there are many more end providers as opposed to actual manufacturer/creator. Sorry for the rant. I am generally never this responsive to it. But this thread is taking up too much time and attention from the right places. Not to mention the constant theme. My two cents of course.

Cheers and have fun at the events as they come. The writing is on the wall in my mind it's not about good versus evil.

 

Should be a sticky my friend....👊

 

If we stop arguing and going back and forth what am I going to do all day? I say play on! After all it is the internet

 

The beauty of Porsche owners is that we come in all stripes. There are those (like me) who are content with a 10.6 @ 130mph 1/4 mile (w/ a simple exhaust & tune). Then there are others for whom pushing the envelope is the name of the game (full bolt-ons) looking to extract all the safe power our cars can generate (10.2 secs vs. 10.3 secs, or being the fastest and/or holding records matter for this group!). Then there are those seeking to crack the hallowed 9 second barrier (R comp tires, weight reduction, meth injection etc)!

Forums allow us all to enjoy and SHARE our individual pursuits! COBB vs. GIAC isn't about good vs. evil or better vs. best...to me its about innovation and power (who can get the most power out of cars safely). If I ever decide to pursue 10.2 @ 135+mph 1/4 mile stats, threads like this help me decide who to partner with in that quest... until then, everyone enjoy your cars, they are all FAST and reliable!

 

Well Said!

 

This is old news... COBB it's been in this debates vs other tune products for years, just with another plattaforms (GTR's, EVO's, to name a few) and at the end COBB always finish on top, the product is too complete vs the competition.

Is not like better vs best like other said, it's that the real enthusiast choose COBB because have what most of them want.

COBB is relative new in the Porsche world but it's been fighting this "battle" for some time know. Nothing against GIAC honestly, just that I been choosing COBB because they gave me what I'm looking for and GIAC not.

 

True statements by acunob and web car. Don't get me wrong I'm all about it. I'm even about friendly competition and understand snide competition. But the circle jerks and condescending pats on the back along with a solid dose of excuses/accusations and underlying comments make it weak and cheesy. I can officially put my SamboTT guarantee that has been a major success for giving customers solid peace of mind with the Kline Innovation exhaust systems and the IPD line on the Cobb product any day!

would love to see it continue with no circle jerks lol. Whatever the members want that's the point.

 

I'm trying my hardest to stay out of all these threads lately...I really am. Why? Because the direction these Cobb vs GIAC threads are heading in is tempting me to act in ways that are contradictory to my character.

I'll just leave everyone with one thing to consider. Do you REALLY think GIAC, a company with a team of tuners and engineers who have been doing this for 20 years, a company that pioneered OBDII tuning and ECU decryption on just about every modern Porsche since 2010, is leaving power on the table in the 991 Turbo for any reason other then what they believe is in the best interest of the safety of the car???

One day I'll leave this aftermarket car industry and find something to do with 100 times less stress. And when I do, I'll invite everyone to come sit around a bonfire and listen to stories of all the amazing things that go on behind the scenes that you'd never hear about otherwise. Or maybe I'll write a tell-all book...hmmm.

Either way, I gotta shake this case of the Mondays, I'm going to McD's for breakfast...LOL

 

Tom the Mc Grill for breakfast is a good choice lol

Like Sambo said, there will be jerks (trolls) that will put the thread's in another direction but a few of us know better than that... The debate will go on (like the exhaust battles) that is the nature of this things but like I said, it's not like better vs best, it's more like what are you looking for to your car, Both will give you safe HP and both are terrific products, one have more "enthusiast goodies" and is cheeper but both are great choice for upgrade ECU's

PS I believe this is the first time giac have a competative rival in the OBDll porsche world