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Old Mar 3, 2012 | 03:24 PM
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Sport chrono and sport + a must!

For those on the fence about sport chrono, it is a must for the sport+ mode alone, consider DEMs to be an icing on the cake. This mode transforms the car in to an entirely different animal and is a real weapon when you need it. The standard sport comes nothing close to it.
I realize that you can't use it most of the time, but just one proper use of sport+ in a day keeps a smile on your face for a long time.

I have done 0-200km/h several times and it is so much quicker in sport+, vs standard sport and non-sport mode. Today I smoked a maserati at a stop light even after giving it a head start. Probably, not a fair contest given its larger size and weight. But really there's very little out there that can compete.
 
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I agree whole heartedly! Sport plus is amazing. Are you following any break in procedures? I'm trying to, just curious. Not really sure it matters.
 
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No break in procedures for me. My salesperson (only after I asked him about break in) said I should take it easy for the first 3000 km, but he said it in a tone and manner that made it obvious he was only stating the official position and it was not really required.
 
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Well you are obviously having more fun with your car than I am. The US owners manual suggests keeping the car under 4200 rpms for the first 2000 miles. The only time mine has exceeded that is when I let others test drive the car . Your probably right that it doesn't matter so I'm not sweating it!
 
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Well you are obviously having more fun with your car than I am. The US owners manual suggests keeping the car under 4200 rpms for the first 2000 miles. The only time mine has exceeded that is when I let others test drive the car . Your probably right that it doesn't matter so I'm not sweating it!
Oops! I rarely keep it under 4200 rpms. I often take it close to the red line. But I have read many posts where porsche owners have driven their cars hard from day one and yet have had no problems whatsoever down the road. The test drive vehicles at the dealers are always under 1000km or even 500km old and they don't tell you not to floor those.
 
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You are correct, I think Im gonna wait till about 1000 miles then have at it! 600 miles to go, although I do have a 400 mile trip planned for next week. Wont be long :0
 
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Oops! I rarely keep it under 4200 rpms. I often take it close to the red line. But I have read many posts where porsche owners have driven their cars hard from day one and yet have had no problems whatsoever down the road. The test drive vehicles at the dealers are always under 1000km or even 500km old and they don't tell you not to floor those.
. But if you get a problem and the dealer is checking your DME data and it shows you have been "flooring it" and have some 2-3-4 spikes... they might just tell you that you have no warranty!! They might "throw the book " at you!!
 
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I have been having some daily fun and have put on close to 1300km already. Yeah, 1000 miles would be a safe bet and it will come soon enough. Besides this car I have owned a few brand new cars (not sports cars) and never followed break in procedures with no negative consequences. These porsche cars in particular are designed to be driven rough.
 
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. But if you get a problem and the dealer is checking your DME data and it shows you have been "flooring it" and have some 2-3-4 spikes... they might just tell you that you have no warranty!! They might "throw the book " at you!!
Seems that this could only happen on a MT. PDK will limit over revs to level 1. This is another plus for PDK. You are able to break it in hard and protect the engine from over revs. Best of th worlds.
 
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. But if you get a problem and the dealer is checking your DME data and it shows you have been "flooring it" and have some 2-3-4 spikes... they might just tell you that you have no warranty!! They might "throw the book " at you!!
I realize that may be in the fine print but has that happened to any one? Plus, I just don't believe there can be a problem because of lack of break in. If a problem is to occur, it just does, like the post we have about failure 2 miles after delivery.
 
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Originally Posted by aamersa
For those on the fence about sport chrono, it is a must for the sport+ mode alone, consider DEMs to be an icing on the cake. This mode transforms the car in to an entirely different animal and is a real weapon when you need it. The standard sport comes nothing close to it.
I realize that you can't use it most of the time, but just one proper use of sport+ in a day keeps a smile on your face for a long time.

I have done 0-200km/h several times and it is so much quicker in sport+, vs standard sport and non-sport mode. Today I smoked a maserati at a stop light even after giving it a head start. Probably, not a fair contest given its larger size and weight. But really there's very little out there that can compete.
I had the same experience test driving cars this week. Really a great option.
 
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Originally Posted by PT Doc
Seems that this could only happen on a MT. PDK will limit over revs to level 1. This is another plus for PDK. You are able to break it in hard and protect the engine from over revs. Best of th worlds.
PDK will limit over revs to level 2, not 1.

For reference: An "ignition" is one single spark plug firing. There are 3 ignitions per RPM, so they rack up VERY quickly.... for a track car, it is regular to see hundreds of thousands of zone 1 'ignitions'

Zone 1 - This is redline- essentially, hitting the rev-limiter once will produce tens or hundreds of ignitions. These will not damage the engine at all.

Zone 2 - Only a few RPM's over redline - Essentially you will have a handful of Zone 2 ignitions even if you hit the rev limiter. Again, these are not hard on the engine.

Zone 3 - and above are where it starts to get rough on the engine. These only happen when someone downshifts to a lower gear, forcing the engine above the range where the rev-limiter would cut in. PDK transmissions will NOT allow any Zone 3 over-revs to occur.

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Originally Posted by aamersa
I realize that may be in the fine print but has that happened to any one? Plus, I just don't believe there can be a problem because of lack of break in. If a problem is to occur, it just does, like the post we have about failure 2 miles after delivery.
If your question is does Porsche void an owner's warranty because of the DME results, then yes. See here for the most recent scenario:

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ew-engine.html

I would ask your Porsche service dept this question. Bring it up in passing and see how they handle a warranty claim on an abused (by their standards) engine.
 
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Originally Posted by mostlyjames
PDK will limit over revs to level 2, not 1.

For reference: An "ignition" is one single spark plug firing. There are 3 ignitions per RPM, so they rack up VERY quickly.... for a track car, it is regular to see hundreds of thousands of zone 1 'ignitions'

Zone 1 - This is redline- essentially, hitting the rev-limiter once will produce tens or hundreds of ignitions. These will not damage the engine at all.

Zone 2 - Only a few RPM's over redline - Essentially you will have a handful of Zone 2 ignitions even if you hit the rev limiter. Again, these are not hard on the engine.

Zone 3 - and above are where it starts to get rough on the engine. These only happen when someone downshifts to a lower gear, forcing the engine above the range where the rev-limiter would cut in. PDK transmissions will NOT allow any Zone 3 over-revs to occur.

DME for 2011 GTS w/ PDK
Thanks for the correction. That is a great feature of the PDK. Does anyone know how this works to limit the level 3 over rev?
 
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Just test drove a 991C2S today. Test car has 1000km, dealer told me to floor it. Sport plus and PDK manual upshift close to redline, the car is crazy fast. In sport suspension mode car is still quite comfortable. I can now fully understand why PDK and Sport Plus is a MUST in the new 991. I cannot imagine what the next turbo will do.
 
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