Advice on possible 991 4S build
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Advice on possible 991 4S build
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I posted for advice on rennlist, but got none. Maybe here?
I currently have an Audi RS5 on order but I'm thinking about switching to a 4S. I live in Western South Dakota. I want the car to be my daily driver 97% of the time. On really heavy snow days I can take one of our 4WD or AWD trucks/SUVs.
Here's my current build plan:
http://www.porsche-code.com/PDU3QHY6
911 Carrera 4S
Burmester® Audio Package P3A
Premium Package Plus P39
Aqua Blue Metallic D2
Black / Platinum Grey leather interior BR
Sunroof in glass 653
Electric folding exterior mirrors 748
ParkAssist (front and rear) 636
Deletion of Model Designation 498
Sport Exhaust System 176
Sport Chrono Package 640
Power Steering Plus 658
Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control (PDCC) 352
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) 250
20-inch SportDesign wheel 428
Wheel center caps with colored Porsche Crest 446
Power Sport Seats (14-way) P06
Smoking package 583
SportDesign steering wheel 840
Two-tone leather interior 970
Online Services UN1
Any thoughts?
Notes:
I specifically did not choose SPASM for better clearance, especially in snow.
I did choose PDCC for maximum ride comfort on rough roads.
I will almost certainly never track the car but I do like to drive fast through the hills.
I would plan to drive the car to places like Denver (about 400 miles away) for long weekends.
I don't really need to carry more than one passenger, but might on occasion squeeze a kid in back.
Whether I go with the 4S or the RS5 I plan to look for a Turbo S in 2 years for my 50th birthday present.
Regarding pricing:
I'm not in a huge hurry.
I plan to shop the bid around and expect to get about 5% off MSRP even though at least one of the nearby dealers in Denver claims they sell all Porsches at MSRP.
Any thoughts on pricing?
Is there any advantage to a dealer losing a sale they might still make several thousand on? Especially when I'm coming from out-of-state and won't have ready access to the dealership? Do they lose allocation slots are can they sell as many as they want?
Thanks in advance,
Jeff
I posted for advice on rennlist, but got none. Maybe here?
I currently have an Audi RS5 on order but I'm thinking about switching to a 4S. I live in Western South Dakota. I want the car to be my daily driver 97% of the time. On really heavy snow days I can take one of our 4WD or AWD trucks/SUVs.
Here's my current build plan:
http://www.porsche-code.com/PDU3QHY6
911 Carrera 4S
Burmester® Audio Package P3A
Premium Package Plus P39
Aqua Blue Metallic D2
Black / Platinum Grey leather interior BR
Sunroof in glass 653
Electric folding exterior mirrors 748
ParkAssist (front and rear) 636
Deletion of Model Designation 498
Sport Exhaust System 176
Sport Chrono Package 640
Power Steering Plus 658
Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control (PDCC) 352
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) 250
20-inch SportDesign wheel 428
Wheel center caps with colored Porsche Crest 446
Power Sport Seats (14-way) P06
Smoking package 583
SportDesign steering wheel 840
Two-tone leather interior 970
Online Services UN1
Any thoughts?
Notes:
I specifically did not choose SPASM for better clearance, especially in snow.
I did choose PDCC for maximum ride comfort on rough roads.
I will almost certainly never track the car but I do like to drive fast through the hills.
I would plan to drive the car to places like Denver (about 400 miles away) for long weekends.
I don't really need to carry more than one passenger, but might on occasion squeeze a kid in back.
Whether I go with the 4S or the RS5 I plan to look for a Turbo S in 2 years for my 50th birthday present.
Regarding pricing:
I'm not in a huge hurry.
I plan to shop the bid around and expect to get about 5% off MSRP even though at least one of the nearby dealers in Denver claims they sell all Porsches at MSRP.
Any thoughts on pricing?
Is there any advantage to a dealer losing a sale they might still make several thousand on? Especially when I'm coming from out-of-state and won't have ready access to the dealership? Do they lose allocation slots are can they sell as many as they want?
Thanks in advance,
Jeff
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Build sounds good. Regarding pricing, there is very very little wiggle room. They do compensate for that with a higher trade in value and good financing if you have good credit.
Instead, think about dropping some of the options to lower the price. For example, if you are not in a big city consider dropping the power steering plus, The Burmester system unless an audiophile, and anything else you can live without.
Otherwise, love the color I almost went for that instead I went for Midnight Blue.
One more thing, also consider if a straight carrera will meet your needs, plenty fast and a good savings.
Instead, think about dropping some of the options to lower the price. For example, if you are not in a big city consider dropping the power steering plus, The Burmester system unless an audiophile, and anything else you can live without.
Otherwise, love the color I almost went for that instead I went for Midnight Blue.
One more thing, also consider if a straight carrera will meet your needs, plenty fast and a good savings.
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Nice config, seems like you thought it through well. No real suggestions here, great color combination also.
Pricing is just a highly variable thing,....but I don't think MSRP should be paid. It all depends on what dealer, where, etc. Here in the DFW area dealers have a good amount of allocation, but 991s are still selling pretty hot, so you can get a discount just not very big maybe 2~4% for the average buyer. If you spend a ton of money at these dealers during a short period of time you may be able to get a bit more, but the demand is good enough that if you don't take an available allocation, they will have another buyer lined up pretty quickly.
Most dealers know how to make money,....if they turn an offer down they know someone else will snag it pretty quickly. I have used the same dealer twice now and pretty much ask for what discount they are willing to give me,....then I give them my order and say I'll give a deposit today if they give me X amount discount,...usually more then what they offered, but not an insane amount. With a cash deposit in their face they normally go for it or we compromise a bit and we both are happy.
I'm not into getting the last dime out of the deal, some people are, I just want what I think is fair and I'm good to go. Life's to short and I'm not spending mine bargaining at a car dealer for hours or days. I'd rather I know I have a good order in with a fair discount.
Pricing is just a highly variable thing,....but I don't think MSRP should be paid. It all depends on what dealer, where, etc. Here in the DFW area dealers have a good amount of allocation, but 991s are still selling pretty hot, so you can get a discount just not very big maybe 2~4% for the average buyer. If you spend a ton of money at these dealers during a short period of time you may be able to get a bit more, but the demand is good enough that if you don't take an available allocation, they will have another buyer lined up pretty quickly.
Most dealers know how to make money,....if they turn an offer down they know someone else will snag it pretty quickly. I have used the same dealer twice now and pretty much ask for what discount they are willing to give me,....then I give them my order and say I'll give a deposit today if they give me X amount discount,...usually more then what they offered, but not an insane amount. With a cash deposit in their face they normally go for it or we compromise a bit and we both are happy.
I'm not into getting the last dime out of the deal, some people are, I just want what I think is fair and I'm good to go. Life's to short and I'm not spending mine bargaining at a car dealer for hours or days. I'd rather I know I have a good order in with a fair discount.
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@airportrat: Thanks for the input. I'm not to sure about the power steering plus. I do LOVE good sound (Burmester... yum). This car's gonna be so expensive I really don't wanna compromise on power. So, I'm not too into cutting options to save on cost. Of course I don't want to pay a ton for stuff I don't really care about. So, bottom line, config is one issue; getting the best price for that config is a different issue.
@Rocket_boy: Thanks for the pricing feedback. I'm really not too sure what to expect for a discount, but I am fundamentally opposed to paying MSRP. I agree I don't want to play the dealer games all day to whittle a few bucks of the deal. Maybe I should shoot for 5% but be wiling to settle for 3%. Since I have to drive at least 400 miles to get to any Porsche dealer I can shop around some and don't feel the need to be overly generous; of course, I do expect the dealership to make some coin.
What do you guys think about the PDCC without SPASM?
@Rocket_boy: Thanks for the pricing feedback. I'm really not too sure what to expect for a discount, but I am fundamentally opposed to paying MSRP. I agree I don't want to play the dealer games all day to whittle a few bucks of the deal. Maybe I should shoot for 5% but be wiling to settle for 3%. Since I have to drive at least 400 miles to get to any Porsche dealer I can shop around some and don't feel the need to be overly generous; of course, I do expect the dealership to make some coin.
What do you guys think about the PDCC without SPASM?
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Check out above thread. There is a youtube video. Watch it, you will find that it is a vote against pdcc.
Check out above thread. There is a youtube video. Watch it, you will find that it is a vote against pdcc.
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https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ainst-gtr.html
Check out above thread. There is a youtube video. Watch it, you will find that it is a vote against pdcc.
Check out above thread. There is a youtube video. Watch it, you will find that it is a vote against pdcc.
No it isn't. They praise it to the skies, but the old skool tech guy says he'd rather do without. Not the same thing as a vote against. Just a vote against change!! Ever heard that before from a serial 911 lover? Exactly.
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Good spec by the way. Only change would be to get rid of two of the driven wheels. I live in mountain country and a 2wd on winter tyres will go anywhere a 4wd will go. But with less weight and more enjoyment. As you remark, you'll take the SUV on really wintry days.
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@rapid I'm confused by your reasoning of pdcc to smooth out rough ride. Pdcc is to arrest roll and has no affect on dampening, so while it would improve your hill road drives by cornering flatter (eg less body roll) it wouldn't help on rough roads.
Fwiw, the drop difference between pasm and spasm is only .4 inches but spasm also adds a (cheap/easy to replace) lip spoiler, not sure of its impact on clearence. All that said, I don't have first hand experience with either setup on the 991, just some spec sheet info FYI
Fwiw, the drop difference between pasm and spasm is only .4 inches but spasm also adds a (cheap/easy to replace) lip spoiler, not sure of its impact on clearence. All that said, I don't have first hand experience with either setup on the 991, just some spec sheet info FYI
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Great build. I did a lot of research on the PDCC and also tested both. I decided against the PDCC even though I will track the car. I also decided to pass the power steering plus. Most of this stuff is just personal preference and what feels right to the individual.
I love the 2-tone interior and you might think about adding a couple of cheap options - Porsche Crest in the headrests and steering column in leather. There are good threads on here for both.
On pricing, I got a great trade in deal and 5% off of MSRP. Took a couple weeks and the belief that I didn't need to buy a new car right now. I am sure that there are people getting better deals but I also agree with the not squeezing every penny out of the dealer - I wanted a good deal but not great. My C2S Cab is a custom order and the sticker is $135K.
I love the 2-tone interior and you might think about adding a couple of cheap options - Porsche Crest in the headrests and steering column in leather. There are good threads on here for both.
On pricing, I got a great trade in deal and 5% off of MSRP. Took a couple weeks and the belief that I didn't need to buy a new car right now. I am sure that there are people getting better deals but I also agree with the not squeezing every penny out of the dealer - I wanted a good deal but not great. My C2S Cab is a custom order and the sticker is $135K.
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@sqweak the reason PDCC improves ride is because in straight ahead driving the anti roll bars are effectively decoupled and the suspension is then truly independent. Same effect as on the Mercedes ABC system. Improves traction on uneven pavement as well.
@op nice build! I would drive a car with and without PSP as it seems to be a personal preference thing. On my PGTS, I'm very glad I found a way to test that because personally I would not have wanted to live with that feature after finally driving a car without it. Since on your car you have the choice, you should try both.
Good luck with the order!
@op nice build! I would drive a car with and without PSP as it seems to be a personal preference thing. On my PGTS, I'm very glad I found a way to test that because personally I would not have wanted to live with that feature after finally driving a car without it. Since on your car you have the choice, you should try both.
Good luck with the order!
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Long time lurker, first time player.
I posted for advice on rennlist, but got none. Maybe here?
I currently have an Audi RS5 on order but I'm thinking about switching to a 4S. I live in Western South Dakota. I want the car to be my daily driver 97% of the time. On really heavy snow days I can take one of our 4WD or AWD trucks/SUVs.
Here's my current build plan:
http://www.porsche-code.com/PDU3QHY6
911 Carrera 4S
Burmester® Audio Package P3A
Premium Package Plus P39
Aqua Blue Metallic D2
Black / Platinum Grey leather interior BR
Sunroof in glass 653
Electric folding exterior mirrors 748
ParkAssist (front and rear) 636
Deletion of Model Designation 498
Sport Exhaust System 176
Sport Chrono Package 640
Power Steering Plus 658
Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control (PDCC) 352
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) 250
20-inch SportDesign wheel 428
Wheel center caps with colored Porsche Crest 446
Power Sport Seats (14-way) P06
Smoking package 583
SportDesign steering wheel 840
Two-tone leather interior 970
Online Services UN1
Any thoughts?
Notes:
I specifically did not choose SPASM for better clearance, especially in snow.
I did choose PDCC for maximum ride comfort on rough roads.
I will almost certainly never track the car but I do like to drive fast through the hills.
I would plan to drive the car to places like Denver (about 400 miles away) for long weekends.
I don't really need to carry more than one passenger, but might on occasion squeeze a kid in back.
Whether I go with the 4S or the RS5 I plan to look for a Turbo S in 2 years for my 50th birthday present.
Regarding pricing:
I'm not in a huge hurry.
I plan to shop the bid around and expect to get about 5% off MSRP even though at least one of the nearby dealers in Denver claims they sell all Porsches at MSRP.
Any thoughts on pricing?
Is there any advantage to a dealer losing a sale they might still make several thousand on? Especially when I'm coming from out-of-state and won't have ready access to the dealership? Do they lose allocation slots are can they sell as many as they want?
Thanks in advance,
Jeff
I posted for advice on rennlist, but got none. Maybe here?
I currently have an Audi RS5 on order but I'm thinking about switching to a 4S. I live in Western South Dakota. I want the car to be my daily driver 97% of the time. On really heavy snow days I can take one of our 4WD or AWD trucks/SUVs.
Here's my current build plan:
http://www.porsche-code.com/PDU3QHY6
911 Carrera 4S
Burmester® Audio Package P3A
Premium Package Plus P39
Aqua Blue Metallic D2
Black / Platinum Grey leather interior BR
Sunroof in glass 653
Electric folding exterior mirrors 748
ParkAssist (front and rear) 636
Deletion of Model Designation 498
Sport Exhaust System 176
Sport Chrono Package 640
Power Steering Plus 658
Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control (PDCC) 352
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) 250
20-inch SportDesign wheel 428
Wheel center caps with colored Porsche Crest 446
Power Sport Seats (14-way) P06
Smoking package 583
SportDesign steering wheel 840
Two-tone leather interior 970
Online Services UN1
Any thoughts?
Notes:
I specifically did not choose SPASM for better clearance, especially in snow.
I did choose PDCC for maximum ride comfort on rough roads.
I will almost certainly never track the car but I do like to drive fast through the hills.
I would plan to drive the car to places like Denver (about 400 miles away) for long weekends.
I don't really need to carry more than one passenger, but might on occasion squeeze a kid in back.
Whether I go with the 4S or the RS5 I plan to look for a Turbo S in 2 years for my 50th birthday present.
Regarding pricing:
I'm not in a huge hurry.
I plan to shop the bid around and expect to get about 5% off MSRP even though at least one of the nearby dealers in Denver claims they sell all Porsches at MSRP.
Any thoughts on pricing?
Is there any advantage to a dealer losing a sale they might still make several thousand on? Especially when I'm coming from out-of-state and won't have ready access to the dealership? Do they lose allocation slots are can they sell as many as they want?
Thanks in advance,
Jeff
If you go through with it you'll be the 7th person here on 6speed to be ordering a C4S 991 (by my count).
Lots of people will say you don't need a awd, it's heavier, pushes in the corners, under-steers, expensive etc. etc... but truth be told it's an amazing looking machine, rides like on rails, has incredible, grip in snow, rain, cold and that wide-body.... oh and lets not forget the light strip!!
Plus it has a certain exclusivity.
It's just a VERY sexy machine which is lighter, faster, more powerful, sleeker and wider than it's predecessor !
What's not to like!
I say go for it!
Re; pricing, it sounds like you're on point.
Lots of speculation (or fact depending of your perspective) on high discounts but the truth is Porsche is reducing it's production numbers for next year... add to that the current wait time, relatively low allocations and dealers very quickly feel it's better to wait for the "right"...
They can always discount it later (rather than sooner).
Not to mention 2013's C4/S is an smaller segment of the pie so 3 to 5% discount would be good deal.
Cheers.
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@rapid I'm confused by your reasoning of pdcc to smooth out rough ride. Pdcc is to arrest roll and has no affect on dampening, so while it would improve your hill road drives by cornering flatter (eg less body roll) it wouldn't help on rough roads.
Fwiw, the drop difference between pasm and spasm is only .4 inches but spasm also adds a (cheap/easy to replace) lip spoiler, not sure of its impact on clearence. All that said, I don't have first hand experience with either setup on the 991, just some spec sheet info FYI
Fwiw, the drop difference between pasm and spasm is only .4 inches but spasm also adds a (cheap/easy to replace) lip spoiler, not sure of its impact on clearence. All that said, I don't have first hand experience with either setup on the 991, just some spec sheet info FYI
It's a good thing you added a disclaimer at the end.
That said it makes everything which proceeded it kinda irrelevant...
So no disrespect intended at all, but I disagree with every single thing you wrote... my reaction was what are you talking about!
Do a search here and you'll see that those with first hand experience say the absolute opposite from what your stating... or visit the Porsche site there are full explanations of most of the mechanical/ electrical aspects of the 991.
6 is great a resource, lets muddy the water too much.
Cheers.
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@nova996 ahhh, now that makes sense! Thanks for the explanation.
@Psycho Sid really, everything I said? so you disagree that PDCC allows for flatter cornering & the pasm/spasm drop is .4 inches?
Point taken.
@Psycho Sid really, everything I said? so you disagree that PDCC allows for flatter cornering & the pasm/spasm drop is .4 inches?
Point taken.
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I have SPASM and PDCC. There's a lot of confusion about PDCC on the Internet and many claims by good people, who may never have driven a PDCC/SPASM setup. Some of the press claims are also amiss. Hope this Porsche link helps: http://www.porsche.com/microsite/tec...T911CarreraAll.
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This better explains PASM and Sport PASM: http://www.porsche.com/microsite/tec...T911CarreraAll.