Legality of be tailed..
I can't believe how many of you are surprised by the puerile behavior of local and state coppers.
I can't tell you how many times I have seen and heard these guys in court rambling off their "versions" of "motor vehicular stops incident to officer's observation [yes they talk in the third person] of probable cause" in support of busts for minuscule amounts of drugs or contraband. They testify to "observing weaving," the ubiquitous "broken tail light," or my particular favorite, "lack of tread [how they ever saw that on a moving vehicle ] on rear tires."
Many of these guys are the same jokers who barely graduated from high school and just have a bee up their nose for anyone driving an exotic car.
That said, there are a significant number of hard working, honest and diligent officers risking their lives to keep us all safe. Then again, we rarely see those guys because they are doing their job and not busting our chops.
...I have what in my opinion is a secret weapon. The possession of the weapon results in the fact that I am never bothered by local or other police...I'm bald and I am a 58 year old white guy and as such am virtually invisible to the police. What they see is a "citizen" as opposed to a "perp" - it is a sad fact that I benefit from the prejudices of the average police officer...it also helps that I don't do stupid stuff with the $100k+ car.
I can't tell you how many times I have seen and heard these guys in court rambling off their "versions" of "motor vehicular stops incident to officer's observation [yes they talk in the third person] of probable cause" in support of busts for minuscule amounts of drugs or contraband. They testify to "observing weaving," the ubiquitous "broken tail light," or my particular favorite, "lack of tread [how they ever saw that on a moving vehicle ] on rear tires."
Many of these guys are the same jokers who barely graduated from high school and just have a bee up their nose for anyone driving an exotic car.
That said, there are a significant number of hard working, honest and diligent officers risking their lives to keep us all safe. Then again, we rarely see those guys because they are doing their job and not busting our chops.
...I have what in my opinion is a secret weapon. The possession of the weapon results in the fact that I am never bothered by local or other police...I'm bald and I am a 58 year old white guy and as such am virtually invisible to the police. What they see is a "citizen" as opposed to a "perp" - it is a sad fact that I benefit from the prejudices of the average police officer...it also helps that I don't do stupid stuff with the $100k+ car.
Reasonable, TO. Here are the facts that count most. A 991S brakes from 60 to 0 mph in 102 ft. A Crown Vic Interceptor does the same in 145 ft. If the officer has lightening reflexes and hits his brakes at the same time as a driver of a sports car, the officer still crashes into the back of the car like a retard.
A neighborhood child, cat or a deer in the road could have changed the outcome of the gentleman's situation. Tailgating is reckless, more so than speeding. The officer should be reported to the shift supervisor at a minimum so we don't see this happen to a family. Really there's no excuse that is acceptable. Communication with the dispatch is not the issue.
A neighborhood child, cat or a deer in the road could have changed the outcome of the gentleman's situation. Tailgating is reckless, more so than speeding. The officer should be reported to the shift supervisor at a minimum so we don't see this happen to a family. Really there's no excuse that is acceptable. Communication with the dispatch is not the issue.
Yes. Thank you. I read it: "I would agree with you on the following to close ( not necessary)."
It was the "not necessary" part I did not understand. Actually it was illegal, reckless, and reportable. It is the central issue rather than making excuses for illegal and tactically unnecessary actions. If the LEO wanted to practice bumper locks and pitting, he should take it to the track. Seriously, was the officer hoping for a high speed chase maybe rather than using his brain to take a low profile and call in other assets to head off a possible stolen vehicle without a chase down public streets? Good grief. It was amateur hour and indefensible.
LEOs do not tolerate excuses from civilians for endangering the lives of other citizens and rightfully so; therefore it is right to expect good citizens to oppose reckless behavior by law enforcement. Moreover, there are a few LEOs that do hate sports car drivers (socio-economic resentment) and the previous gentleman's comments were spot on. All of us know that. Just as there are federal LEOs, who may believe that standards for entrance into local police agencies are far too low.
Anyway, have a pleasant evening.
It was the "not necessary" part I did not understand. Actually it was illegal, reckless, and reportable. It is the central issue rather than making excuses for illegal and tactically unnecessary actions. If the LEO wanted to practice bumper locks and pitting, he should take it to the track. Seriously, was the officer hoping for a high speed chase maybe rather than using his brain to take a low profile and call in other assets to head off a possible stolen vehicle without a chase down public streets? Good grief. It was amateur hour and indefensible.
LEOs do not tolerate excuses from civilians for endangering the lives of other citizens and rightfully so; therefore it is right to expect good citizens to oppose reckless behavior by law enforcement. Moreover, there are a few LEOs that do hate sports car drivers (socio-economic resentment) and the previous gentleman's comments were spot on. All of us know that. Just as there are federal LEOs, who may believe that standards for entrance into local police agencies are far too low.
Anyway, have a pleasant evening.
Last edited by VikingMariner; Dec 10, 2012 at 06:38 PM.
I agree completely on what you are saying what is right and what is wrong. Again I was not there so I can not state any facts of the situation. I was merely giving another angle to look at it. It would be wrong for both of us to read into the situation and have a serious discussion based on the minimal amount of facts. I can only speak for myself and how I am. I can tell you aside from the law enforcement side of this that I share the same passion as you for these cars as I just ordered one myself. To others stated in here we LEO's do make a meger pay and thank goodness for my wife. So with that said you would not have to worry about me being jealous about your sports car.
TO.
It happened on I-95 heading South from Commercial Blvd to Sterling Blvd ~ 8 mins. I proceeded to make a right, followed by string of left turns. Headed back North on I-95 and was followed to Davie Blvd ~ another 7mins. Was then followed East for another couple of mins. Hence the 15 (conservative) minutes.
The absurdity of this drawn out situation is exactly the reason I posted this in the first place - The fact that I was followed for so long.
So back to my post - "the legality of being tailed"?
If a driver is minding his business and adhering to the posted speed limit, is that probable cause to run tags or tail? Should there not have been some infraction to warrant this behavior? I figured that I MUST have done something wrong and was waiting to be pulled over.
Being in LEO, I would like to hear your fair opinion.
Do these cars attract attention? Yes. Is that what transpired here? I have no idea.
I once got a ticket for doing 37 in a 35 mile zone, so I'm well aware that ridiculous situations do arise.
This was not about lack of education (I do not know the trooper), class, income or bashing law enforcement, but rather questioning what is deemed acceptable; When does it stray into harassment.
If the State trooper is above reproach and is considered the law (and its interpretation), then we're on a slippery slope.
Not sure how this thread degenerated so quickly, because not once did I infer that this was about the car, a bitter officer or profiling etc.
Joe Citizen does not know what LEO's go through on a daily basis, and LEO's do not realize the lasting effect of their actions on Joe citizen, as clearly demonstrated in this thread...
It happened on I-95 heading South from Commercial Blvd to Sterling Blvd ~ 8 mins. I proceeded to make a right, followed by string of left turns. Headed back North on I-95 and was followed to Davie Blvd ~ another 7mins. Was then followed East for another couple of mins. Hence the 15 (conservative) minutes.
The absurdity of this drawn out situation is exactly the reason I posted this in the first place - The fact that I was followed for so long.
So back to my post - "the legality of being tailed"?
If a driver is minding his business and adhering to the posted speed limit, is that probable cause to run tags or tail? Should there not have been some infraction to warrant this behavior? I figured that I MUST have done something wrong and was waiting to be pulled over.
Being in LEO, I would like to hear your fair opinion.
Do these cars attract attention? Yes. Is that what transpired here? I have no idea.
I once got a ticket for doing 37 in a 35 mile zone, so I'm well aware that ridiculous situations do arise.
This was not about lack of education (I do not know the trooper), class, income or bashing law enforcement, but rather questioning what is deemed acceptable; When does it stray into harassment.
If the State trooper is above reproach and is considered the law (and its interpretation), then we're on a slippery slope.
Not sure how this thread degenerated so quickly, because not once did I infer that this was about the car, a bitter officer or profiling etc.
Joe Citizen does not know what LEO's go through on a daily basis, and LEO's do not realize the lasting effect of their actions on Joe citizen, as clearly demonstrated in this thread...
Thanks ! Believe me I know there are a few bad apples out there as stated by others but the better majority are good people.
Don't know if you like bikes at all but they have started the biker build off on discovery channel and I'm glued to the tv watching it. These as gonna be some sweet bikes!! Can't imagine paying more for a Paul JR. Bike than my new 991 sweet or not.
Don't know if you like bikes at all but they have started the biker build off on discovery channel and I'm glued to the tv watching it. These as gonna be some sweet bikes!! Can't imagine paying more for a Paul JR. Bike than my new 991 sweet or not.
TO.
It happened on I-95 heading South from Commercial Blvd to Sterling Blvd ~ 8 mins. I proceeded to make a right, followed by string of left turns. Headed back North on I-95 and was followed to Davie Blvd ~ another 7mins. Was then followed East for another couple of mins. Hence the 15 (conservative) minutes.
The absurdity of this drawn out situation is exactly the reason I posted this in the first place - The fact that I was followed for so long.
So back to my post - "the legality of being tailed"?
If a driver is minding his business and adhering to the posted speed limit, is that probable cause to run tags or tail? Should there not have been some infraction to warrant this behavior? I figured that I MUST have done something wrong and was waiting to be pulled over.
Being in LEO, I would like to hear your fair opinion.
Do these cars attract attention? Yes. Is that what transpired here? I have no idea.
I once got a ticket for doing 37 in a 35 mile zone, so I'm well aware that ridiculous situations do arise.
This was not about lack of education (I do not know the trooper), class, income or bashing law enforcement, but rather questioning what is deemed acceptable; When does it stray into harassment.
If the State trooper is above reproach and is considered the law (and its interpretation), then we're on a slippery slope.
Not sure how this thread degenerated so quickly, because not once did I infer that this was about the car, a bitter officer or profiling etc.
Joe Citizen does not know what LEO's go through on a daily basis, and LEO's do not realize the lasting effect of their actions on Joe citizen, as clearly demonstrated in this thread...
It happened on I-95 heading South from Commercial Blvd to Sterling Blvd ~ 8 mins. I proceeded to make a right, followed by string of left turns. Headed back North on I-95 and was followed to Davie Blvd ~ another 7mins. Was then followed East for another couple of mins. Hence the 15 (conservative) minutes.
The absurdity of this drawn out situation is exactly the reason I posted this in the first place - The fact that I was followed for so long.
So back to my post - "the legality of being tailed"?
If a driver is minding his business and adhering to the posted speed limit, is that probable cause to run tags or tail? Should there not have been some infraction to warrant this behavior? I figured that I MUST have done something wrong and was waiting to be pulled over.
Being in LEO, I would like to hear your fair opinion.
Do these cars attract attention? Yes. Is that what transpired here? I have no idea.
I once got a ticket for doing 37 in a 35 mile zone, so I'm well aware that ridiculous situations do arise.
This was not about lack of education (I do not know the trooper), class, income or bashing law enforcement, but rather questioning what is deemed acceptable; When does it stray into harassment.
If the State trooper is above reproach and is considered the law (and its interpretation), then we're on a slippery slope.
Not sure how this thread degenerated so quickly, because not once did I infer that this was about the car, a bitter officer or profiling etc.
Joe Citizen does not know what LEO's go through on a daily basis, and LEO's do not realize the lasting effect of their actions on Joe citizen, as clearly demonstrated in this thread...
In a way I wish he would have stopped you so you would have had some sort of answer for his actions.
Next time if this should occur again get the car side number contact the PD and ask for the officer driving that car to contact you. Just stat your were concerned as to these actions.
As far as the car getting attention most guys would not take a second look unless they are admiring it. Some times we get call from citizens that say so and so in a grey porsche was traveling at 110 mph and passing on the shoulder. So if we see that car we may check it out but the would need to see some sort of infraction unless the citizen was going to sign a complaint and go to court as a witness against you. I don't like anyone racial profiling but on a funny note most probably would be more inclined to look at a 93 Cadi with blacked out windows and no tags in the bank parking lot then your car.
Or, maybe there were two of 'em, and they were playing "Punch-buggy". The driver called out the OP's car, then the passenger hit the driver back, which launched a 15 minute discussion about how that was a Porsche and not the new VW Beetle. After a bunch of "nuh-uh's" and "uh-huh's", they agreed to disagree and get some donuts.
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...I have what in my opinion is a secret weapon. The possession of the weapon results in the fact that I am never bothered by local or other police...I'm bald and I am a 58 year old white guy and as such am virtually invisible to the police. What they see is a "citizen" as opposed to a "perp" - it is a sad fact that I benefit from the prejudices of the average police officer...
...I have what in my opinion is a secret weapon. The possession of the weapon results in the fact that I am never bothered by local or other police...I'm bald and I am a 58 year old white guy and as such am virtually invisible to the police. What they see is a "citizen" as opposed to a "perp" - it is a sad fact that I benefit from the prejudices of the average police officer...
Profiling is funny.
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