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Old 03-28-2014, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dux View Post
Sadly the simple procedure did not make a difference.

The search continues...
dux,

Have you noticed any improvement at all as the engine accumulates some miles? My car just hit 5K miles and although it still has the stumble, it's not as obvious as it was when new.
 
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Has anyone had a tech drive the car with the PIWIS connected? Curious what it would indicate in regards to the VarioCam bump.
 
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Originally Posted by mtony View Post
dux,

Have you noticed any improvement at all as the engine accumulates some miles? My car just hit 5K miles and although it still has the stumble, it's not as obvious as it was when new.
I'm at 7k and it's been the same all along.
For a brief time (~24 hrs) the car was a completely different animal following a software upgrade. Smooth as silk and far more responsive. Sadly it reverted to its usual ways a day later.

If the stumble was gone for 24 hrs, then clearly it can be addressed and corrected permanently.
 
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Originally Posted by dux View Post
Sadly the simple procedure did not make a difference.

The search continues...
I recommend you try the dealer reload of the delivery software, dux.

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Sorry to bump an old thread, but I am dealing with this issue so I wanted to see if any of the players here had updates.

The facts:

- 2013 3.4 MT built in late April 2013
- Under light to medium acceleration I have a hesitation around 2500RPM
- Under harder acceleration I have a distinct stumble at 3KRPM
- I have tried many different gasolines with the same result
- I have had my car in three times for this issue
- The service tech found no codes, but did the crank sensor spacing adjustment anyway
- No change, but the tech drove the car with me in it and acknowledged the issue (this was a huge step)
- Service rep told me to drive it harder because it must be that I'm not driving aggressive enough (right, thanks)
- Certainly takes away from my enjoyment of the car
 
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Old 07-22-2014, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by stealthboy View Post
Sorry to bump an old thread, but I am dealing with this issue so I wanted to see if any of the players here had updates.

The facts:

- 2013 3.4 MT built in late April 2013
- Under light to medium acceleration I have a hesitation around 2500RPM
- Under harder acceleration I have a distinct stumble at 3KRPM
- I have tried many different gasolines with the same result
- I have had my car in three times for this issue
- The service tech found no codes, but did the crank sensor spacing adjustment anyway
- No change, but the tech drove the car with me in it and acknowledged the issue (this was a huge step)
- Service rep told me to drive it harder because it must be that I'm not driving aggressive enough (right, thanks)
- Certainly takes away from my enjoyment of the car
I have a 2012 base (although with PDK) and there is no hesitation. Sounds to me like it could be the variable cam acting up. I would document 3 work orders with no result and ride with them to show them what is happening. I would also try one other Porsche workshop and ask them to re-install the software just like they had received a new car. If you don't get any satisfaction, I would submit a lemon law action if you are the original owner.

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Originally Posted by ChuckJ View Post
I would document 3 work orders with no result and ride with them to show them what is happening.
I had the tech drive while I rode along. He acknowledged the hesitation. He did some software updates, still had the same behavior. He also drove a similar car to mine (2013 MT) that they had in the lot and said it was "normal behavior" since it did it on that car, too.



I think my next action will be to try a different dealer. Fortunately we have four Porsche dealers in my area.
 
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Originally Posted by stealthboy View Post
I had the tech drive while I rode along. He acknowledged the hesitation. He did some software updates, still had the same behavior. He also drove a similar car to mine (2013 MT) that they had in the lot and said it was "normal behavior" since it did it on that car, too.



I think my next action will be to try a different dealer. Fortunately we have four Porsche dealers in my area.
Best of luck in getting it sorted. My previous car, a 997.2, had a significant hesitation/stumble gong through the ~2500 rpm range - it actually at times felt like a misfire. After several visits to the dealer I asked if it would be possible to hook the car up to the computer and manually actuate the individual variocam actuators to determine if they were functioning properly. Bottom line was that they weren't able to go on a fishing expedition without seeing a code. No codes = no troubleshooting. Seriously frustrating.

My 991 also has the hesitation, but not as bad as the 997. Not sure if I want to invest a lot of time pursuing it. Considering the complexity of the Variocam system, it really doesn't surprise me that the changeover is not always completely seamless. What does surprise me though, is the fact that Porsche hasn't been able to perfect it.
 
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I don't think that it is "normal behavior". That's just saying in other words they don't know how to fix it. Unfortunately I don't have the answer either ! Try different dealer seems to be your best shot if no one here can offer a solutioin !
 

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Originally Posted by stealthboy View Post
I had the tech drive while I rode along. He acknowledged the hesitation. He did some software updates, still had the same behavior. He also drove a similar car to mine (2013 MT) that they had in the lot and said it was "normal behavior" since it did it on that car, too.



I think my next action will be to try a different dealer. Fortunately we have four Porsche dealers in my area.
Glad you were able to get them to feel the issue. That needs to be documented (preferably on the work order). Software updates are not the same as taking the software down to delivery configuration, then installing the software that dealers install when they get the car from the factory. Good luck with the new dealer.

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Originally Posted by ChuckJ View Post
I recommend you try the dealer reload of the delivery software, dux.

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Tried your suggestion but the Service adviser was adamant that this is simply not possible (which basically means that they can't be bothered cos HQ won't reimburse them).
Complete BS given my years in Software Engineering.

If I care to keep this car I'll take it to an indy that has a brain and relishes a challenge.

If you can't properly diagnose your godforsaken product, then you should seriously consider stuffing a little less electronics and software into the thing.
 
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Bumping an old thread again. I have the dreaded stumble. Do we have any solutions yet? I just dropped my car off at the dealer. Powerkit, 7MT. Mine is progressively getting worse. It started at about 3,750 miles and was very slightly noticable. I only noticed it on the highway. At first, I thought it was feedback from the rear suspension. Now the car stumbles in all gears around 2,000 RPMs while rolling on the throttle. It does it in all modes.
 

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@Money2536, you have my sincere condolences. Mine also started around the 4000 mile mark and you will most likely be told that it's "performing as intended / designed".

First they told me I was imagining things. Then (after we galloped down the street) the head tech acknowledged that he could feel it. S/W upgrades etc resulted in no permanent improvement (went away for 24 hrs) after which it was suddenly deemed as "operating as designed".

I have reported it 5 times and finally PCNA called me, gave me a case number, and I haven't been contacted once in 6 months.

I've owned several cars in this price range and Porsche is simply atrocious at acknowledging or addressing customer issues (with Nick Murray being our Poster Child).
Pathetic does not begin to describe their excuse for a customer service department.


Stealthboy, Runner1021, you and I are just a few that are imagining this "development" in our cars. Perhaps if there are enough of us, we'll get to a point where they can no longer ignore our over active imaginations.

Please post the findings from your visit.

PS. Prepare yourself for the predictable comments (about how you're not driving your car hard enough or don't know how to drive), from the same tired individuals on this forum.
 
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@Money2536, you have my sincere condolences. Mine also started around the 4000 mile mark and you will most likely be told that it's "performing as intended / designed".

First they told me I was imagining things. Then (after we galloped down the street) the head tech acknowledged that he could feel it. S/W upgrades etc resulted in no permanent improvement (went away for 24 hrs) after which it was suddenly deemed as "operating as designed".

I have reported it 5 times and finally PCNA called me, gave me a case number, and I haven't been contacted once in 6 months.

I've owned several cars in this price range and Porsche is simply atrocious at acknowledging or addressing customer issues (with Nick Murray being our Poster Child).
Pathetic does not begin to describe their excuse for a customer service department.


Stealthboy, Runner1021, you and I are just a few that are imagining this "development" in our cars. Perhaps if there are enough of us, we'll get to a point where they can no longer ignore our over active imaginations.

Please post the findings from your visit.

PS. Prepare yourself for the predictable comments (about how you're not driving your car hard enough or don't know how to drive), from the same tired individuals on this forum.
I was deathly afraid of something like this happening to my $135,000 car. My car has been getting progressively worse. This is the first time in my life that I wished something would just break. What I don't want to do is play the taking it to the dealership game over and over again.
 

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