By-the-way, the EPA mileage is virtually the same between the two vehicles also.

 

My dealer's sales manager encouraged me not to order an S saying that as I had(and still have) no plans to track the car and use it as a DD. the manager owns and has owned p cars for years and is extremely knowledgable about the car, available options and the mechanical aspects of the car.

As was suggested in this and other threads I drive the car a little differently this week; shifting the PDK manually and liberal use of the sport mode. I have experienced a completely different car. Quicker acceleration, a more positive shift and an amazing sound (pse engaged) along with slightly lower mileage.

So it's there if you want it: all the power and performance unless you always wanted a F1 racer,

 

I couldn't agree with you more. Just passed the break in point and last weekend played with manual. The only thing I can say is WOW. It is such fun and does feel like a different car. Here I feel I have all the fun of a manual when I want it and if I want the extra mileage throw it back it into auto. Don't think I will be doing that too much anymore though -- manual is just too much damn fun!!

 

Glad to hear you are enjoying your ride. I have an S. I bought it after disappointment with the 1.8 in the old BMW Z3. It do 0-60mph in...I am not sure I ever got there. You need an egg timer. It taught me not to skimp on the engine. You have less chance of disappointment with HP you don't use than HP you don't have. But, that was a much lesser car.

 

I bought a 944 back in 1981 after driving a 911S in Germany on the autobahn for 3 years because Porsche advertised it a smooth and quick. That was the only Porsche that has disappointed me. It really was weak and vibrated badly. I got rid of it as soon as I could face my wife. I got a 928 and found it very smooth, quiet and relatively quick. But it was really too GT for my tastes and so I went back to 911s. I had a couple of Corvettes while I was putting my kids through college, but then went back to 911s. There really is nothing like it whether it's a base or an S. And IMO the 991 is the best 911 yet.

ChuckJ

 

LOL very true. TT is a different animal when it comes to torque

 

Mission accomplished. I knew I wasn't crazy. Glad you have been having fun making that motor work.

 

I haven't read the entire thread but did read much of it.

Then I looked at the Porsche website. I did feel that calling a 991 "slow" was enough to at least compare it OTHER Porsches .
I also considered the 95-100K price point .

Now I realize that 0-60 is not the best measure of any car but it is the only manufacturer data right on their site . Using this as a consistent figure the base 991 will NOT slam dunk any of the other 100K Porsches in acceleration.

It's just a hair faster than a Boxster and Cayman S. (Sidenote .. the Cayman S is a really good looking car these days too IMO) .
It won't embrass a Cayenne GTS and it would even lose to a Cayenne Turbo .
In fact the 991 "S" is side by side to a Cayenne Turbo (both are 120K or so) .
The Panamera S is even with the base 991 .

My point - There once was a time where just uttering the word "Porsche 911" implied "it's a really fast car" compared to other cars on the road and nowadays its still a great car but its NOT that fast .

 

Stop thinking in straight lines and pure acceleration. The 911 is not about that. It's the whole package of acceleration, braking and handling on a twisty road or track !

 

Amen!

ChuckJ

 

....and as a bonus, the S is around 11.7 in the 1/4 and the base is in the mid 12s. I really don't know if this site has some trolls or they don't understand what the Porsche is all about. Porsche's, Ferraris....... and almost all exotics and even lower cars like my old E92 and Exige are not about torque and drag racing. The old 4 cam 356 was slower than a bike to 3,000 rpms and my old SC had nothing until you got it over 4k. If the revs in my Exige dipped below 5k, it was game over. Keep the revs high and the base is fast.

 

Uhmm...don't want to nit-pick here but while a 991s may not be the fastest set of wheels out there, it's exactly slow either.

I know this 3.4 thread but plenty of mag tests of the 'S' have shown a 0-60 time of 3.6 seconds or so, 1/4 mile time of 11.8-12.0 seconds with trap speeds ranging from 116-118 mph and a top speed of 189 mph. Plus, it runs a pretty good "ring" time according to Porsche...7:38. C&D Lightning Lap was 2:58. More than a match I think for any Cayenne Turbo S you might run into.

Not bad for 3.8 liters and a measly 400 hp.

I didn't buy mine for it's straight-line prowess but it sure is nice to have a bit of oomph when you want it. A buddy of mine has a new Grand Sport Corvette and let's just say I don't have any problems keeping up with him... straight line or twisties.

By the way, this is my 8th 911, including a 993TT and a 996TT.
A 991 can hold it's own very well, thank you.

 

See the other thread. " 3.8 Engine Disappointing Performance"

This is to rag on us plebians with 3.4L's

I am always so concerned a real porsche like a cayenne is going to meet me at the stop light and embarrass me. Then my girl will leave me and I will lose my job and have to crawl into a dark hole. So much so that I rarely drive this thing, usually in the middle of the night so as not to be seen.

 

If you get beat by a 2013 Cayenne GTS, your girlfriend should get out because according to dragtimes, they do 5.3 and 13.6 and your base 911 is way faster.