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Old Jun 22, 2014 | 09:59 PM
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Probably A dumb question on PCM navigation

Why does Porsche not offer or make it possible to install an app like Trapster or Waze on the PCM navigation system? The built-in PCM screen would be much be a much better display for showing traffic hazards and LE hazards like speed and red light cameras than an auxliary smartphone or tablet screen. Plus it is already there


Perhaps the 991.2 could use an Android or I-Phone based navigation system with the ability, with owner app installation if necessary to avoid supposed Porsche liability, to show road and LE hazards.


I have found my way very nicely for over fifty years without electronic navigation support, but would really appreciate the ability to identify potential problems ahead without the hassle of an additional makeshift onboard smartphone or tablet display. As it is, I mainly use the current PCM navigation to reduce boredom on long trips by observing my progress toward my destination.
 
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One thing I do miss from my BMW is the ability to send planned routes from google maps on my computer to the car, or if I'm really lost and can't fiddle with the controls, having BMW assist send directions to the car. That being said, it was a feature I rarely used, so not a big loss.

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Originally Posted by vangulik42
Why does Porsche not offer or make it possible to install an app like Trapster or Waze on the PCM navigation system?
Think of the navigation system (PCM) as a computer. Which it is, really. Just like you can't run an app from your iPad on your Windows computer, neither can you run those things on the PCM. The PCM doesn't run IOS or Android and anything like that, it's all Porsche proprietary software.

Plus, as you've mentioned, there's a lot of liability if they allow you to run software that's not under their control in their car's system. It could cause other issues.
 
Old Jun 23, 2014 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by vangulik42
Why does Porsche not offer or make it possible to install an app like Trapster or Waze on the PCM navigation system? The built-in PCM screen would be much be a much better display for showing traffic hazards and LE hazards like speed and red light cameras than an auxliary smartphone or tablet screen. Plus it is already there


Perhaps the 991.2 could use an Android or I-Phone based navigation system with the ability, with owner app installation if necessary to avoid supposed Porsche liability, to show road and LE hazards.


I have found my way very nicely for over fifty years without electronic navigation support, but would really appreciate the ability to identify potential problems ahead without the hassle of an additional makeshift onboard smartphone or tablet display. As it is, I mainly use the current PCM navigation to reduce boredom on long trips by observing my progress toward my destination.
I doubt seriously Porsche wants to integrate a multitude of apps on the PCM. To do so would be prohibitive..


But what is ridiculous is that the only way you can get traffic info is via XM.. which puts you at the mercy of a third party service provider where you can't just buy XM Traffic ala' carte (at least when I tried).

What would have been a much better technical solution is to either integrate FM traffic (which is free) which you get with almost any 3rd party GPS (garmin etc). And/Or allow a Wifi/data connection that could be accommodated by a personal hotspot or Phone..

The answer of course is that Porsche most likely is subsidized by XM and has a vested interest in providing a substandard offering.

And lets not even talk about the POS AHA garbage..
 
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Originally Posted by RichardC
One thing I do miss from my BMW is the ability to send planned routes from google maps on my computer to the car, or if I'm really lost and can't fiddle with the controls, having BMW assist send directions to the car. That being said, it was a feature I rarely used, so not a big loss.

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I really liked this feature on my BMWs. At least sending a single address would be nice.
 
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Originally Posted by scatkins
I doubt seriously Porsche wants to integrate a multitude of apps on the PCM. To do so would be prohibitive..


But what is ridiculous is that the only way you can get traffic info is via XM.. which puts you at the mercy of a third party service provider where you can't just buy XM Traffic ala' carte (at least when I tried).

What would have been a much better technical solution is to either integrate FM traffic (which is free) which you get with almost any 3rd party GPS (garmin etc). And/Or allow a Wifi/data connection that could be accommodated by a personal hotspot or Phone..

The answer of course is that Porsche most likely is subsidized by XM and has a vested interest in providing a substandard offering.

And lets not even talk about the POS AHA garbage..
pcm3.x can show fm traffic, set a TP checkbox in settings, and if free broadcast it will show in info tab, in europe surely work.
pcm3.1 can be upgraded to accept AHA-radio, there also traffic info can be found
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/91...line-services/
http://press.porsche.com/news/release.php?id=757
http://www.aharadio.com/what-is-aha/in-your-car/porsche
 
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Originally Posted by Serg124
pcm3.x can show fm traffic, set a TP checkbox in settings, and if free broadcast it will show in info tab, in europe surely work.
pcm3.1 can be upgraded to accept AHA-radio, there also traffic info can be found
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/91...line-services/
http://press.porsche.com/news/release.php?id=757
http://www.aharadio.com/what-is-aha/in-your-car/porsche
I'm not aware of any PCM 3.1 capability to show FM traffic data on the navigation display. At least in the US/North America.


AHA is crap... It works with my 3.1 PCM as delivered... I don't believe it has the ability to get Traffic information to the "traffic" screen of navigation display. If it does then I guess I missed something...
 
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Sorry dumb question but what is AHA?
 
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Originally Posted by Capsfan
Sorry dumb question but what is AHA?
It is the iphone / android application you run on your phone that integrates with the PCM.. It provides you with internet bases features on the PCM like streaming media, Facebook, twitter etc.

So you can control those applications from the PCM display as well as streaming the audio output to the car audio system.

In reality, most folks who like to listen to streaming music seem to just instead run pandora (or whatever) on their phone and connect as an aux (or I think BT aux source). And I'm not sure there's anyone who wants to use twitter or facebook by interacting with their PCM.. easier to just use the phone for that.

What I had hoped was that it it would be able to feed the Navigation system with traffic info and congestion information on the MAP. But when I tried it after getting my car, I couldn't find any of that capability. streaming music isn't all that important to me, but if I were I'd just use pandora, and I can't find any value in trying to fiddle with Facebook on the PCM display, much easier to just use the iPhone app.

So bottom line I could find no reason to use it and deleted it. Which based on everyone I've talked to is pretty typical. I've seen comparable features on other cars (Toyota has another app they use, which is just as crappy and as far as I can tell no one uses it).

maybe it's gotten better, not sure but I for the life of me could find no value.
 
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Originally Posted by scatkins
It is the iphone / android application you run on your phone that integrates with the PCM.. It provides you with internet bases features on the PCM like streaming media, Facebook, twitter etc.

So you can control those applications from the PCM display as well as streaming the audio output to the car audio system.

In reality, most folks who like to listen to streaming music seem to just instead run pandora (or whatever) on their phone and connect as an aux (or I think BT aux source). And I'm not sure there's anyone who wants to use twitter or facebook by interacting with their PCM.. easier to just use the phone for that.

What I had hoped was that it it would be able to feed the Navigation system with traffic info and congestion information on the MAP. But when I tried it after getting my car, I couldn't find any of that capability. streaming music isn't all that important to me, but if I were I'd just use pandora, and I can't find any value in trying to fiddle with Facebook on the PCM display, much easier to just use the iPhone app.

So bottom line I could find no reason to use it and deleted it. Which based on everyone I've talked to is pretty typical. I've seen comparable features on other cars (Toyota has another app they use, which is just as crappy and as far as I can tell no one uses it).

maybe it's gotten better, not sure but I for the life of me could find no value.
I never heard of it, I did find an app called Car Connect and may give it a try tomorrow. It says that you must have a 2014.
 
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I never heard of it, I did find an app called Car Connect and may give it a try tomorrow. It says that you must have a 2014.
AHA is the only app I believe that is integrated directly with Porsche PCM from a control standpoint. At one point Porsche I believe attempted to charge for the integrated capability. But I'm sure it was futile and then they just started including it for free since no one actually was willing to pay for it.

Just go to the apple or android app store and search for AHA you will find it quickly the app is free. Unfortunately after loading it and trying it, you will decide quite quickly it is a waste of time and delete it off your phone.
 
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Originally Posted by scatkins

But what is ridiculous is that the only way you can get traffic info is via XM.. which puts you at the mercy of a third party service provider where you can't just buy XM Traffic ala' carte (at least when I tried).
Not sure when you tried, but I am in the US and a year ago i bought traffic service (a la carte) from Sirius XM. $4 per month or so.
 
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Originally Posted by Serg124
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pcm3.1 can be upgraded to accept AHA-radio, ...
Putting aside the "is it any good" question, I was told by my dealer quite a while ago that this is not possible if your car was an early production car; the h/w does not support it. Has something changed?
 
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Originally Posted by tahoe_joe
Not sure when you tried, but I am in the US and a year ago i bought traffic service (a la carte) from Sirius XM. $4 per month or so.
Yeah, you can purchase a NavTraffic sub from Sirius XM for $4/monthly or other plans.

Here's a link to the pricing page: Sirius XM NavTraffic Pricing

But coverage isn't always ubiquitous. Check the coverage map: Sirius XM NavTraffic Coverage

For those who care, you can also subscribe to weather, sports and stock broadcasts....
 


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