Money Money Money,
Thanks for sharing your straight up feelings. I am lurker so I didn't leave comments in your journals but I really enjoy reading/following journals. Your M4 journals as well. I missed your updates when you stopped writing for a while after you have told that your 991 has stumble issue. Last line of your most comments usually punches me. "All this, and I still love it." Just looking at how well you take care your car, I know how much you love your 991. I wish all the best to you and your family.

 

Another reason to lease for 27 months. If you have a reliable car, then buy it at lease end. The bugs and issues should be determined by then, if any. If not, give it back at the end of the lease term, limiting your aggravation level considerably. The incremental additional cost to "lease vs. buy" is not material considering total cost. The sales tax savings alone will be substantial, if you do return the leased vehicle versus selling a car you purchased. The only downside is that you can't make modifications, which cannot be reversed.

Frank C.

 

Nick's advantage and the GT3 problem was that there was a VISUAL problem that people could connect to.

This lagging/hesitation problem can't even be caught on video, and many times not even felt from the passenger seat. Doesn't make a sexy news report, thus the problem alone will not get any mainstream news excited. Don't expect any compassion from the mainstream media on someone with 100K plus car that has some mysterious fish line pull that nobody other than the enthusiast driver can feel.

Options:

A. Mainstream media is only interested in visual drama, or Jerry Springer drama. A few dozen or hundreds of Porsche owners boycotting in front of PCNA headquarters in Atlanta will get their attention and Porsches attention.

B. Write up in one of the Road & Track type publications aimed at car buffs.

C. Registered letters directly to:

Detlev von Platen
President and Chief Executive Officer
Porsche Cars North America
980 Hammond Drive Suite 1000
Atlanta, Georgia 30328

D. A combined lawsuit involving multiple drivers. A single owner lawsuit could be a good start.


This forum is a great place to share ideas and experiences. Thank God for it!! It also brings together common problems and a relief to those who feel like they are not alone. A good place to organize too. It needs to be taken to the next level if you expect anything to happen.

Your dealer will do nothing for you. The "field rep" will also do nothing for you. Use them for the proper documentation to take it further.

Also, complaining about the problem and saying you'd do it all over again in a Porsche regardless of this problem probably isn't the best strategy. To Porsche, this is the best case scenario. Why try to accommodate owners who will be coming back anyway? Geez they'll be buying a new 911 later in the year and they'll be moving into other more pressing issues like:

"Do you like clear side markers?"

"I got a bad PPF job!"

"I can't decide between what stitching to order on my 150K car!" Oh the problems!!

"Cayman vs. 911"

"I need underwear to match my 911"


** for the record I have NOT noticed this problem on my 991 yet. I've only driven it under 1K miles. I'm merely compassionate in your cause, and DEATHLY afraid of this happening to me and disappointed in how poorly Porsche treats it's customers. I thought my comments could help, but seem to be falling on deaf ears. Good thing you guys have Dux on here advocating. I'll be checking out of this issue from the sidelines until I may someday be one causality of it.

It's my first Porsche 911 after dreaming about it since Jr. High School. If I have a bad experience after spending over 100K, I will not be coming back to this black jack table to double down.

 

I am the editor of the monthly magazine of the largest PCA region in the country. I wonder what would happen if I write an editorial?

 

That would be awesome. We need more ideas like that !

It needs to move out of this forum. They only see forums as some urban legend and give no credibility to what they dismiss as "internet chatter".

 

As you well know, the pen is mightier than the sword.

We have records to back up our claims and an editorial would be a giant step towards getting their attention.

I implore you to consider this option further.

 

I don't think anyone has tried that yet. And it would take a few tries to really get that answer as the probability of success depends on how well you document and describe the problem relative to the LL criteria and the arbitrator / court.

ChuckJ

 

27k miles on mine and I havent encountered said problem.

 

Also! let's not forget that only a tiny percentage of porsche owners post here and that the internet is generally full of waaaaaah.

 

Our local P distributors appear unaware of this kind of problem. We have the European spec cars which differ slightly in some areas (for example the U.S. cars have a complex fuel tank ventilation system for some regulation reason that has escaped the rest of the planet). There may be other differences perhaps related to emmisions regulations.
The variable valve lift mentioned may well be a factor - that kicks in more or less at the rev range that some posters mention.
Might be fuel quality related, perhaps not even quality as such but composition which does differ greatly between countries and continents.

Having said that, I have never experienced this happening on my own car. In fact it has been flawless except for some rattles that have been fixed (and despite my best attempts to destroy the car).

I agree media is very effective. That would most certainly wake up somebody at Porsche and a fix would be forthcoming. It likely is a minor cause that needs a minor tweak in the system or perhaps replacement of a relatively minor device.

Rainier

 

With the current poll running 71 percent having no stumble issues and 29 percent having them, I would not hesitate to purchase a new or used 991. I firmly believe that Porsche will step up and fix this issue once the cause is determined. I have been through similar situations with other manufacturers who were silent on the issue until they knew the root cause and were able to fix it. In that situation, I felt my complaints were falling on deaf ears but in the end they were not. The issue was resolved to my total satisfaction and I had no further problems with the car.

 

I think that if you were unfortunate enough to be part of the 30 percent, you'd feel slightly different.

At the risk of sounding like all perspective has been lost, the dread you feel when getting into your "dream car" (knowing what's coming) is miserable.

I realize it's just a car, but to some it's the fulfillment of a lifelong dream that is quickly turning into something else...

 

Dux,

Does this stumble present only to 991 C2, C4, C2S and C4S? Have you heard some of turbo or gt3 cars have the same issue?

I am checking your poll results several times every day and since you started and now I think 6(non stumble) : 4 (stumble) or 7:3 ratio shows that engine stumble is somewhat epidemic to 991. Maybe I am overreacting but we are talking engine stumble here not door rattles when we hear going over deep potholes. Unless I do spirited driving, most of my driving will be around 2500 - 3000 rpm and I will be desperately battling fish tugging effect all along if mine is stumbler. Now I am leaning toward gt3 because of this issue but I hate the fact that I am changing my choice, not because of I like (not saying gt3 is a bad car)but because of the quality issue.

I felt so sorry and terrible to hear some of you went to Germany to pick the car up and turned out to be a tumbler. Some could say I should be manly enough to take 6:4 or 7:3 chances but I just don't want to do that over my first 911. Oh man...

 

Dux,

Does this stumble present only to 991 C2, C4, C2S and C4S? Have you heard some of turbo or gt3 cars have the same issue?

I am checking your poll results several times every day and since you started and now I think 6(non stumble) : 4 (stumble) or 7:3 ratio shows that engine stumble is somewhat epidemic to 991. Maybe I am overreacting but we are talking engine stumble here not door rattles when we hear going over deep potholes. Unless I do spirited driving, most of my driving will be around 2500 - 3000 rpm and I will be desperately battling fish tugging effect all along if mine is stumbler. Now I am leaning toward gt3 because of this issue but I hate the fact that I am changing my choice, not because of I like (not saying gt3 is a bad car)but because of the quality issue.

I felt so sorry and terrible to hear some of you went to Germany to pick the car up and turned out to be a tumbler. Some could say I should be manly enough to take 6:4 or 7:3 chances but I just don't want to do that over my first 911. Oh man...

 

You know life is full of risks. You either get in the game or sit on the side lines.
To me the odds are in my favor in this case so I would choose to get in the game instead of sitting on the side lines and watching all the 911 drive by me. That's my opinion. Yours is different. Isn't life grand.