I've contacted the customer no-service number already, but I don't expect this to do much good.

 

Snail mail is your best bet, follow up with a phone call.
You need to have a paper trail for when it hits the fan.

We cannot let this issue die due to their relentless stonewalling.

Their non-response alone will be a newsworthy story.

 

Dux - I believe there is very high chance PCNA won't give a damn about my letter or what we talk here. Personally I am calling it "991 stumble-gate" and I will be sending letter to CEO guy at PCNA and Consumer Report as well whether they care to hear or not. Just like there is no substitutes...there is no fix... BTW. you last comment was so funny and I can't stop laughing.

 

We shall see. I don't think the GT3 is the savior to those seeking refuge.

First of all, it's a different beast and driving experience. Aesthetically and practicality it differs alot to the 991 Base/S/4S/Turbo's, etc.. It looks like and acts like a true track car.

Second of all, they are once again starting to hit the road. 2014 is pretty much a wash and I'm sure that year won't fare well for resale. What potential issues arise in 2015 is anybody's guess.

I think it's reflected in their demand. Obviously not easy to get because of production numbers, but I don't see any sort of mass Ferrari or iPhone like hysteria either. Geez, even Range Rovers are as hot as can be and harder to get at sticker.

 

Right now www.cars.com has 19 used 2014 GT3's listed for sale.



On a side note: I'm glad I moved over to the 991 side from the 958 Cayenne. This is by far the most active and fun section. It is taking up too much of my time hanging around here though!!!

 

Frank:
Do I understand correctly that sales tax would only be on the depreciation amount? In Texas we only pay tax on the delta between the purchase and trade-in. How would it compare then? What's the cost to buy the car after the lease end?

ChuckJ

 

Most states you pay sales tax on the payment or some calc on depreciation. Texas and Georgia have the same tax policy, pretty much takes lease options off the table.

 

@991onthebrain - No stumble??
You and your friends need to head to the closest dealership at once and have them "normalize" your MT cars with a stumble @2500rpm.
You simply don't know what you're missing.

On a serious note, please have them take the poll and the accompanying survey.
Thx

 

Generally, most states follow the "net" rule. For example, If you originally purchase a car for 100k and sales tax is 7%, you paid 7k in sales tax. Now assume you trade the car in after 36 months for $70k and purchase another intending to keep it for 36 months for 100k, the sales tax on the new transaction is $2,100 (7% x 30k). So, the total sales tax paid on both transactions is $9,100. Note, this generally only works with trade-ins. If you sold your car privately, for 70k and purchased another for 100k, the sales tax would $7,000 on the new purchase. The tax on the two transactions would be $14,000. So, in this example if you trade the dealer price for the trade should not be less than the delta between trade vs. sell privately & buy or $4,900.

Now let's assume the same scenario except that you lease. You make 36 lease payments of $1,000 per month or $36,000 & sales tax of $70/mo. or $2,520 for a total $38,520. Your cost for 3 years of leasing is $38,520 versus $37,000 not considering the capital cost on the original purchase which using 3% would be another 9k. The adjusted total would now be $46k ($37k + $9k). You have saved $7,480 on the first car. Now, it's time for the second car to leased for 36 months. For simplicity, let's assume prices & cost of capital have not changed. The next vehicle will cost $38,520 to lease vs. buying the second through a trade in which will equal $30,000 in depreciation or lost value, $2,520 in sales tax & $9,000 in capital cost (70k for the trade + 30k fresh capital X 3%). These costs total $41,520. The savings on the second lease is $3,000. On the two 3 years lease terms, savings would be a total of $10,480.

I believe my examples are representative of actual lease payments (no money down) and cost of capital for a car that is purchased for 100k. Residuals are ignored as they are irrelevant because there is no end lease purchase assumed. In addition, if you use your car more than 50% for business, the tax savings attributable to leasing are much More favorable than a car which is purchased and is subject to the luxury car limits for depreciation.

Frank C.

 

Lease money factor through PFS is 4.8% + $800 inception fees + $300 termination fee.

Decent interest on a loan w/-0- fees is 1.99-2.29%.

 

Thanks, Frank. The residuals would effect the monthly cost of the lease, wouldn't they?

ChuckJ

 

sorry for being a bit late to the party, but has anybody dyno'd an affected car an compared it to one without the issue? That would get more attention from PCNA and give you a basis for a claim.

 

Yes, they would. I assumed a residual that will approximate market based upon my recent lease transaction.

347222

 

I thought this thread was about engine stumble and getting Porsche to do something about it.

 

I agree, but since I couldn't tell what the hell they were talking about, I didn't say anything on the off chance that it might have been related to the engine stumble problem...