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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
If that's the case, then either Raudel's car was not making an honest 700 HP at the time of the race, or you started in a better gear than he did.

A Proto 700 HP car that is actually making 700 HP is significantly faster than your car, given equal conditions. I guarantee it.

Example: Woodtster ran a 6.39 60-130 in his AWD 700 HP Proto car. A RWD RT-12 only went 6.4 from 62-124. Which puts it well over 7 seconds in a full 60-130. Woodtster also went faster than an RT-12 in the Standing Mile.

All that having been said; your essentally claiming that not only is your 550 HP car faster than a 700 HP Proto car...it's also faster than a RT-12. Not possible.

I have a very easy way for you to finally prove to everyone on this forum how fast your "amazing" GT2 really is. Purchase or borrow a Driftbox and do a couple of 60-130 runs and then then send me or KPG the data for verification. Simple.
Whatever it is Scott, criticize all you want. I posted my impressions, and the resource is readily available for you to ask, there's no reason for me to boast or hide anything, and that's not what I did coming into this thread. I was posting situations that occurred ....

My car is just a slow 550 hp car, I know, that obviously has decent enough power to roast tires during the summer in all of 2nd, and that pulled 600+ hp and tq 997TT as well (board member too)

I'll hit up Tom for his drift box, and do a few pulls during the spring. It's way too cold right now.
 
Old Feb 18, 2008 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by iLLM3
Whatever it is Scott, criticize all you want. I posted my impressions, and the resource is readily available for you to ask, there's no reason for me to boast or hide anything, and that's not what I did coming into this thread. I was posting situations that occurred ....

My car is just a slow 550 hp car, I know, that obviously has decent enough power to roast tires during the summer in all of 2nd, and that pulled 600+ hp and tq 997TT as well (board member too)

I'll hit up Tom for his drift box, and do a few pulls during the spring. It's way too cold right now.

Martin,

Based on your incessant bragging over the last few years; every car you have ever owned seems to be some sort of "freak". According to your posts, they all seem to be so ridiculously fast that they defy all laws of physics.

You made similar claims regarding your old AA M3, your Stage 2 TT, and now your GT2. Yet...you NEVER back any of your claims up!

You never go to the track, and you never run 60-130's. You always say you're going to, but it never happens. I can't recall how many times in the past you have said you were going to take your cars to dragstrip, only to find out it never happened....for one reason or another.

Lots of talk and lots of claims....but never, ever any follow through. It's quite old.

How about you stop making BS claims and go get some damn 60-130 data for us as soon as it warms up? The link for the P-box is below.

I have no doubt your GT2 is fast, but constantly claiming that it's as fast or faster than other P-cars that have 100-150+ more HP than it does is completely ridiculous, and not believable. It's also extremely insulting to our intelligence.

http://store.vboxusa.com/servlet/Detail?no=2
 

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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by iLLM3
The GT2 driver obviously cannot drive, and you know this!
You mean the GT2 drivers, the 997 TT drivers, the LP640 driver, the F430 drivers? Well, what is the point of having a fast car if you can not drive it? Do we then just compare magazine articles to see who is the fastest? Or the Indy 500 winner should the car with the most HP?

Hey, I like the fact that you have a RUF (love the cars) and I know they are very fast P-cars. I am just saying that for some reason my 2005 Turbo S Cab is very fast too. Just take a look at some of the videos of me racing cars that have more HP and are alot lighter. I think it has to do with the way I broke the engine and tranny in.

Yes, I know how to drive, but the car has to perform as well.
 
Old Feb 18, 2008 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Martin,

According your incessant bragging over the last few years; every car you have ever owned seems to be some sort of "freak". According to your posts, they all seem to be so ridiculously fast that they defy all laws of physics.

You made similar claims regarding your old AA M3, your Stage 2 TT, and now your GT2. Yet...you NEVER back any of your claims up!

You never go to the track, and you never run 60-130's. You always say your going to, but it never happens. I can't recall how many times in the past you have said you were going to take your cars to dragstrip, only to find out it never happened....for one reason or another.

Lots of talk and lots of claims....but never, ever any follow through. It's quite old.

How about you stop making BS claims and go get some damn 60-130 data for us as soon as it warms up. The link for the P-box is below.

I have no doubt your GT2 is fast, but constantly claiming that it's faster than other P-cars that have 100-150+ more HP than it does is completely ridiculous, and not believable at all. It's also extremely insulting to our intelligence.

http://store.vboxusa.com/servlet/Detail?no=2
You are implying a lot , and insulting me now, that was never said. Did I say my car was faster then a proto 700 car? NOPE, I told exactly what happened straight out, dead even and him pulling a little top end before we shut it down. Instead of asking first hand to someone you can readily contact, you continue to flap off at the mouth, we know your a tough guy relax.

I haven't produced 60-130 numbers but again who said that's the standard, especially to real life run ins with people YOU SHARE THE FORUM WITH AND KNOW!!?! Everyone I ever ran with my car's, I shared and YOU KNOW, so don't imply that I am lying and that I have super freak fast car bs..

Different strokes for different folks, you can find me at the road course Scott, I don't like the drag strip!
 
Old Feb 18, 2008 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by iLLM3
You are implying a lot , and insulting me now, that was never said. Did I say my car was faster then a proto 700 car? NOPE, I told exactly what happened straight out, dead even and him pulling a little top end before we shut it down. Instead of asking first hand to someone you can readily contact, you continue to flap off at the mouth, we know your a tough guy relax.

I haven't produced 60-130 numbers but again who said that's the standard, especially to real life run ins with people YOU SHARE THE FORUM WITH AND KNOW!!?! Everyone I ever ran with my car's, I shared and YOU KNOW, so don't imply that I am lying and that I have super freak fast car bs..

Different strokes for different folks, you can find me at the road course Scott, I don't like the drag strip!

Atta boy, Martin!!!
 
Old Feb 18, 2008 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by robertp
You mean the GT2 drivers, the 997 TT drivers, the LP640 driver, the F430 drivers? Well, what is the point of having a fast car if you can not drive it? Do we then just compare magazine articles to see who is the fastest? Or the Indy 500 winner should the car with the most HP?

Hey, I like the fact that you have a RUF (love the cars) and I know they are very fast P-cars. I am just saying that for some reason my 2005 Turbo S Cab is very fast too. Just take a look at some of the videos of me racing cars that have more HP and are alot lighter. I think it has to do with the way I broke the engine and tranny in.

Yes, I know how to drive, but the car has to perform as well.
And it very well can be, but saying your turbo s is faster then a GT2 and not to listen to actual test's done by walter rohl himself is all BS? Isn't very fair in itself.

BTW I must have missed it, are you stock? And the test was comparing a K16 turbo coupe to a stock GT2, not a Turbo S or K24 car!
 
Old Feb 18, 2008 | 12:58 PM
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Just about any Z06 vs. 996 thread shows promise around here.

I'll have my Z down in Houston. We'll video a bunch of runs against whoever can show up and we'll see how things shake out. Scott, hopefully your buddy shows up and won't mind a few highway roll-ons....
 
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Originally Posted by OhioGT2
Just about any Z06 vs. 996 thread shows promise around here.

I'll have my Z down in Houston. We'll video a bunch of runs against whoever can show up and we'll see how things shake out. Scott, hopefully your buddy shows up and won't mind a few highway roll-ons....
I'm sorry but when was this again??
 
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I think what Robert means is that the driver can in many cases make up for HP/weight in tight races . . . i've taken on his heavy cab on a few occasions and let me tell ya, if you miss a shift/lose boost/etc he'll get ya even with a 50 hp faster and lighter car . . . why? cause the man can drive . . .

so therefore there's always room for driver error in a faster car that takes away from the "lightening fast" article claims and which makes lesser hp cars run with or beat a car with 50-100hp more . . . especially once you approach 550 to 600hp+, all cars in this range are straight-up FAST but it is the drivers that either let the cars live to thier capability or simply settle with the a car that "has potential" . . . so if a great driver was in the proto 700 vs your ruf 550 . . . the proto should win - why? simply because the true potential of the 700 is faster than your 550 drivers being equal in skill . . .

Honestly, i myself am still learning to drive my 996TT to it's fullest potential . . . i know my car is approx 600hp and very fast but i know that until i can learn to be completely in tune with the vehicle and go through the gears perfectly i won't see the true potential of my car - pefect example is the LP640 robert mentioned: i too have seen this car get quicker over the past month soley due to the owner's increasing comfort with the high speed operation of the car

all this being said your RUF pcar is sick as was your AA ///m that i remember from my m3forum days . . .
 

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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
How did you get 494 rwhp with those mods? That's stronger than a lot of K24 cars. And 563 rwt ........

I guess the racegas program should help. If your car does in fact make that power and the Z06 is stock, you should have no problem at all.
Its funny you say that. I have only had the car for 2 weeks and have ripped it apart 10 times already changing every part, I have a dynojet 424x here at my shop and have about 60+ pulls and about 15 hours on the dyno playing with this car, its seems like the more i put on the car it doesnt show anything on the dyno, i am kind of crazy when its comes to testing parts i was going to put up a post of what i have found so far pretty soon. I was going backwards for a little friday night untill I put a B/C on the car, it woke right up. stock number were 389 rwhp , tq not sure i think 400+.

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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 01:53 PM
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looked pretty close there, what kind of power does your car make?
I will only do a 45 mph roll with him.
There is no awd dyno here nor would I care to use it if there was. My guess is 580hp crank.
 
Old Feb 18, 2008 | 01:58 PM
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This thread is full of testosterone.
 
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This thread is full of testosterone.
indeed , group hug ? no but seriously guys both TTs and the zo6s are bad *** cars ... end of story as far asim concerned.
 
Old Feb 18, 2008 | 02:43 PM
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How much does a Turbo S Cab weigh?
 
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Originally Posted by iLLM3
Whatever it is Scott, criticize all you want. I posted my impressions, and the resource is readily available for you to ask, there's no reason for me to boast or hide anything, and that's not what I did coming into this thread. I was posting situations that occurred ....

My car is just a slow 550 hp car, I know, that obviously has decent enough power to roast tires during the summer in all of 2nd, and that pulled 600+ hp and tq 997TT as well (board member too)

I'll hit up Tom for his drift box, and do a few pulls during the spring. It's way too cold right now.
Is your 550rwhp or at the crank. I believe RUF measures their packages at the wheel whereas EVOMS and Proto quote crank hp. Hence a RUF 550rwhp car should only be putting down about 50 less hp than a Proto 700 if my math is right.
 


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