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Did anybody ever try methnol in his baby?
I have a 996TT X50 with some mods (flash, headers, waste gate boost kit, free flow cats and mufflers, DV, 5bar FPR)
We have 100octane here in germany and I always use it
My bosst is 1,2bar - although programmed for 1,3 bar (still does not know why
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I would not use methanol every time - only for special occasions
Have to do some work here for the honour of Zuffenhausen
Would highly appreciate any fast comments.
BTW. What sparks do you guys use?
Thank you
Did anybody ever try methnol in his baby?
I have a 996TT X50 with some mods (flash, headers, waste gate boost kit, free flow cats and mufflers, DV, 5bar FPR)
We have 100octane here in germany and I always use it
My bosst is 1,2bar - although programmed for 1,3 bar (still does not know why
)I would not use methanol every time - only for special occasions
Have to do some work here for the honour of Zuffenhausen
Would highly appreciate any fast comments.
BTW. What sparks do you guys use?
Thank you
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Talk to Tony @ EPL. They ran water/meth injection on the X50 One Lap Car. You car is actually (engine wise) set up pretty similarly to that car, so the tune would be pretty dialed in for your setup.
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Are you talking about water/meth injection in addition to gasoline or pure methanol? A few have done water/meth on this board but I don't know of anyone running straight meth. It is corrosive to some parts and woudl require huge injectors, among other changes. Would be difficult to switch back and forth.
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No that is not true, You can run higher even boost with 100/110+Meth....I've even seen people do C16+Meth.
My friend has a proto built 993TT with Lots of HP.... its running a mixture of meth and C16 on high boost. Yes its very corrosive. The meth helps him keep the heads cool.
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Thank you for your replies!
First I want to make clear that I don`t talk about water/meth injection
for the air intake.
I found out that some guys put meth in their gas tank directly.
Some even told me that they use only meth instead of gas
Like said we have good 100octane here in germany (unleaded).
I have done some work here also. So here are the comments from the guys
I talked to.
Meth is alcohol.
Meth increases the octane value.
You could use aircraft / race fuel (some of them even leaded) with 130 octane or kerosin or others instead for same effect.
Higher octane will not increase HP but lower the risk of
unconrolled ignition in the motor (sorry for my english)
This could even have a negative impact on hp as higher octane gas
will not explode that easily.
But in combination with higher boost and / or advance ignition
you can increase hp.
Higher boost will not work as my turbos will not make more than 1.2 bar anyway.
Advance ignition would mean that I have to reflash my ecu and additionaly
have the problem that I will have probs when not having meth
in the gas tank.
(Could use 2 mappings in combination with an EBC but this is too
much effort for me).
Looks like I really need K24/18`s to solve my hp problem
When reaching 600hp it really gets more and more complicated to find extra
ponies! And more expensive!
I tried to avoid changing turbos because of costs and because I thought
that the k24s are big enough for satisfying hp levels.
But you can never have enough power
First I want to make clear that I don`t talk about water/meth injection
for the air intake.
I found out that some guys put meth in their gas tank directly.
Some even told me that they use only meth instead of gas
Like said we have good 100octane here in germany (unleaded).
I have done some work here also. So here are the comments from the guys
I talked to.
Meth is alcohol.
Meth increases the octane value.
You could use aircraft / race fuel (some of them even leaded) with 130 octane or kerosin or others instead for same effect.
Higher octane will not increase HP but lower the risk of
unconrolled ignition in the motor (sorry for my english
)This could even have a negative impact on hp as higher octane gas
will not explode that easily.
But in combination with higher boost and / or advance ignition
you can increase hp.
Higher boost will not work as my turbos will not make more than 1.2 bar anyway.
Advance ignition would mean that I have to reflash my ecu and additionaly
have the problem that I will have probs when not having meth
in the gas tank.
(Could use 2 mappings in combination with an EBC but this is too
much effort for me).
Looks like I really need K24/18`s to solve my hp problem
When reaching 600hp it really gets more and more complicated to find extra
ponies! And more expensive!
I tried to avoid changing turbos because of costs and because I thought
that the k24s are big enough for satisfying hp levels.
But you can never have enough power
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just buy another car.... you'll end up with something that's not drivable.
you'll find it's cheaper to add INTERNALS and bolt on the Garret's and throw on a boost controller than it is to run meth "occasionally" given the host of other mods and the possible engine destruction. The results should be quicker spooling, cooler intake temperatures (larger turbos) and the ability to dial in more boost when you want it B/C most of the time these cars aren't riven on max-boost.
$25K takes you to a reasonable and sustainable level of HP (rods + turbos) assuming other upgrades have been done.
you'll find it's cheaper to add INTERNALS and bolt on the Garret's and throw on a boost controller than it is to run meth "occasionally" given the host of other mods and the possible engine destruction. The results should be quicker spooling, cooler intake temperatures (larger turbos) and the ability to dial in more boost when you want it B/C most of the time these cars aren't riven on max-boost.
$25K takes you to a reasonable and sustainable level of HP (rods + turbos) assuming other upgrades have been done.
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I was wondering how you guys in the us drive 1.6 bar with 93octane.
Thanks for the explanation
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For the next car I will buy a complete package from umw, evoms, proto or others because it seems to be cheaper and better at
the end of the day than buy one item after the other.
But now I will just make my car a little better without big impact on the
current mods.
Thanks for your advices
just buy another car.... you'll end up with something that's not drivable.
Why should I buy another car? I drive Porsche for more than 12 years and
will not change this just because I asked a question in an internet forum.
What part of my planned mods will make the car undriveable?
The meth or the K24/18`s?
As I said after talking to some guys here I already refused to use meth
in my car. But still interested in this issue.
you'll find it's cheaper to add INTERNALS and bolt on the Garret's and throw on a boost controller than it is to run meth "occasionally" given the host of other mods and the possible engine destruction. The results should be quicker spooling, cooler intake temperatures (larger turbos) and the ability to dial in more boost when you want it B/C most of the time these cars aren't riven on max-boost.
Garrets will have big impact on the other mods --> have to throw away
my headers, my exhaust buy new turbos...too much action for me.
Changig the KKK turbos seems more easiliy to me although I am sure that the garret are better.
BTW: Every time I drive I use max. boost several times.
On the german autobahn (highway) you can drive max. boost in
addition to high rpms for seconds or even minutes in the night.
And i have done this often so reliability of the package should be very good.
No 1/4 car!
$25K takes you to a reasonable and sustainable level of HP (rods + turbos) assuming other upgrades have been done.
Why should I buy another car? I drive Porsche for more than 12 years and
will not change this just because I asked a question in an internet forum.
What part of my planned mods will make the car undriveable?
The meth or the K24/18`s?
As I said after talking to some guys here I already refused to use meth
in my car. But still interested in this issue.
you'll find it's cheaper to add INTERNALS and bolt on the Garret's and throw on a boost controller than it is to run meth "occasionally" given the host of other mods and the possible engine destruction. The results should be quicker spooling, cooler intake temperatures (larger turbos) and the ability to dial in more boost when you want it B/C most of the time these cars aren't riven on max-boost.
Garrets will have big impact on the other mods --> have to throw away
my headers, my exhaust buy new turbos...too much action for me.
Changig the KKK turbos seems more easiliy to me although I am sure that the garret are better.
BTW: Every time I drive I use max. boost several times.
On the german autobahn (highway) you can drive max. boost in
addition to high rpms for seconds or even minutes in the night.
And i have done this often so reliability of the package should be very good.
No 1/4 car!
$25K takes you to a reasonable and sustainable level of HP (rods + turbos) assuming other upgrades have been done.
the end of the day than buy one item after the other.
But now I will just make my car a little better without big impact on the
current mods.
Thanks for your advices
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