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Old Sep 13, 2008 | 10:54 AM
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people that blew engines? how did it happen. under what conditions?

Id love to hear about the guys on the forums, past or present, that blew anything related to the stock engine, that required an expensive rebuild. rods, pistons, bottom end.. whatever.

Im assuming many people wont come forward, but i think its best from us to learn from the past and have this documented so it can be prevented.
All info regarding tune, modifications, estimated power level, weather conditions, where it happened (i.e DE event, street, texas mile etc) what you think might have been the culprit, in what gear and rpms etc... i guess the more stories we hear the more usefull it would be.
 
Old Sep 13, 2008 | 12:17 PM
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I think you will find many that have bent rods have done it with the stock fuel system. IE no bigger injectors or 5 bar FPR.
 
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I don't understand,why do rods bent with oem fuel system ?
Do you mean when you're running lean rods can bent?
I'm asking because I had a melted exhaust valve and the rod was also bent but my porsche mechanic didn't understand why the rod was bent because there was no damage at the piston....
 
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I think you will find many that have bent rods have done it with the stock fuel system. IE no bigger injectors or 5 bar FPR.
well im looking for actual examples.. i havent really heard of many aside for dmk and tom kerr, which were both documented well since original owners posted and made their issues public.
we all heard and know of many more but, obviously, many people are reluctant to post since that gives the tuner a bad name.... however i feel like we should post, since we can learn from those experiences...
 

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Old Sep 13, 2008 | 06:23 PM
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well my story I tried to document well for the possible benefit of the forum. others can follow suit.
 
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the killer combo for me: was cold air 40F ambient air temp, pump gas with torco accelerator(i only run sunoco gt plus now) and 1.35 bar.... at that time i was running just the 5bar and stock injecors

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colorinc.. thanks for coming forward...

so in your case it was clearly too much boost on pump gas... right?
 
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Colorinc,

Thanks for telling what really happened!

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yes...IMHO fuel is everything when you get above 1.1 bar and yes using pump gas with the torco stuff+1.35+cold ambient air temp killed my engine... i think if i was running true 104/105 oct i would have been alright
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or perhaps water/meth on pump gas...
 
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or perhaps water/meth on pump gas...
The only bad part about h2o/meth injection is the corrosion issue
 
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Tim,

Have you heard for sure that corrosion is a byproduct of the meth injection? I have heard that it's not true and that any engine that has run meth that has been taken apart is spotless and clean in the Heads and combustion chambers with no carbon buildup. No mention of corrosion.

The aspect that really concerns me is if the system fails for any reason, you must have immediate warning, so that you don't go boosting at WOT without the meth system doing it's job. A proper system should alert the driver if power to the meth pump fails, pressure in the meth lines drops, the meth tank is low, meth nozzles clog, etc.
 
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Originally Posted by John D
The aspect that really concerns me is if the system fails for any reason, you must have immediate warning, so that you don't go boosting at WOT without the meth system doing it's job. A proper system should alert the driver if power to the meth pump fails, pressure in the meth lines drops, the meth tank is low, meth nozzles clog, etc.
You can get fail safes for meth kits that have flow meters and they will cut boost if the system detects a reduction or elimination of water/meth in the lines.
 
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Tim,

Have you heard for sure that corrosion is a byproduct of the meth injection? I have heard that it's not true and that any engine that has run meth that has been taken apart is spotless and clean in the Heads and combustion chambers with no carbon buildup. No mention of corrosion.

The aspect that really concerns me is if the system fails for any reason, you must have immediate warning, so that you don't go boosting at WOT without the meth system doing it's job. A proper system should alert the driver if power to the meth pump fails, pressure in the meth lines drops, the meth tank is low, meth nozzles clog, etc.
yes i have heard that there is a problem with corrosion... do i know this as fact no... i have not used it nor have i torn an engine down after using it ... soooo that being said i guess its only hearsay.. sorry for the confusion

as for the meth fail safe systems i was checking out snow performance they have a real nice product with a couple of real neat fail safe options check them out http://www.snowperformance.net/products.php?p_cat=324

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Tim,

Don't feel sorry for the confusion - it's good information and warrants evaluation. The last thing any of us wants is to unknowingly ruin one of our engines. I'd like to hear what Tony(EPL) has to say about the corrosion issue, as he has experience with these systems and should know. I'm thinking about this as a possible next power upgrade, but I would like to learn a little more about it first. I like the idea of just filling up a small tank with some windshield washer fluid and being able to run the equivilent of race gas all the time. Even just the advanced timing it allows at moderate boost would be a nice.
 

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