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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 05:55 PM
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2005 turbo "S" PCCB Brake Question?

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Does anyone one know a source of aftermarket Brake pads that are compatible with The Ceramic Brake Discs on this car?

OEM are ludicrously expensive, someone else (Not China) must make some good reliable parts.

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although oem pads are expensive it is not worth ruining your rotors, which are a lot more expensive...best to stick with oem..btw..even ceramic compatible pads from other sources are expensive...
 
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I am seriously considering replaceing them with cast iron and want to keep the yellow porsche calipers if possible, does anyone do a Cast Iron direct conversion?

My PCCB rotors are perfect, (6k miles only never tracked) I will most likely sell them.
 
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hey shokwaverider... honestly I wouldn't mess with other pads on those rotors. Porsche won't warranty them;( I'd stick to stock or just use a set of two piece bolt on rotors such as the RSS or Brembo..

http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=199
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http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=194
 
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hey shokwaverider... honestly I wouldn't mess with other pads on those rotors. Porsche won't warranty them;( I'd stick to stock or just use a set of two piece bolt on rotors such as the RSS or Brembo..

http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=199
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http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=194
My car is just out of warranty, (This month) so warranty is not an issue. The examples you show ar for a 997.

What I would be looking for is a direct rotor replacement for my Yellow PCCB calipers. Are you saying these will fit both front an rear without problems?

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I've read that 996 GT3 rotors are a bolt on replacement for the ceramics. You can use the yellow cailipers. There are some using ceramics rear steel front also.
 
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Originally Posted by ShokWaveRider
My car is just out of warranty, (This month) so warranty is not an issue. The examples you show ar for a 997.

What I would be looking for is a direct rotor replacement for my Yellow PCCB calipers. Are you saying these will fit both front an rear without problems?

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Roger that on the warranty.

Sorry on the road today and using an iphone heh.. Not at the shop today so drop dan@sharkwerks.com for more but there are a few different options as far as replacing the ceramics... Most of the 997GT3 track guys go this route to save their ceramics.
 
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I would love a definitive answer on this. Someone must know.

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Originally Posted by ShokWaveRider
I would love a definitive answer on this. Someone must know.

SWR
which question? after market pads? or steel replacements?

Read this thread lots of good info on ceramics:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ccb-discs.html
 

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Originally Posted by dublinoh
which question? after market pads? or steel replacements?

Read this thread lots of good info on ceramics:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ccb-discs.html
Sorry I am asking to many questions:

1) Aftermarket PCCB Pad Replacements.

I have found These, What do we think of them. DP41516 & DP41930 They are EBC Yellow Stuff Pads. or DP31516 & DP31930

2) Bolt on replacements for the Ceramic Rotors Only, I want to keep my original Yellow Porsche Calipers.

I also called my local dealer here in JAX. The Service department said they have NEVER had any fail on a 2005 Turbo S Street car .

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Originally Posted by ShokWaveRider
Sorry I am asking to many questions:

1) Aftermarket PCCB Pad Replacements.

I have found These, What do we think of them. DP41516 & DP41930 They are EBC Yellow Stuff Pads. or DP31516 & DP31930
I would not recommend changing to another brands pads.
There are 2 associated problems with the Porsche PCCB brakes.

(1) Disc de-lamination under hard track use.
(2) Rapid pad wear during aggressive use. (6000 miles is pretty fast)

If you run a pad that is even the slightest bit more aggressive on the rotors, you will run a change of potential issues with the discs, which is MUCH MUCH more expensive of a problem that replacing OEM pads.

Originally Posted by ShokWaveRider
2) Bolt on replacements for the Ceramic Rotors Only, I want to keep my original Yellow Porsche Calipers.
This would be my first choice, especially for anyone who drives their car hard, whether it's street only or street and track.
(in some cases street driving can even be more aggressive)

Put your PCCB discs and pads away in your garage.
Use the new steel discs and appropriate pads (which are less expensive) with your OEM calipers.
Put the PCCB's back on the car when it's time to trade it in or sell.
 
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Thanks for this input. I would tend to agree. I am just trying to find some actual examples of bolt on steel rotors so I can compare them myself. Front and Rear.

My front pads are OK. I noticed my rears were just a tad more worn that my fronts. I felt that a softer after market pad may make things last a bit longer. Although as I said my local dealer said they had not experienced any problems with street cars.

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Couple of options here, I know there are others.
http://www.arlanmotorsport.com/motor...lcon/index.asp
http://www.movit.de/rahmen/porsche.htm
Take a look at Mikelly's Brake sticky not at the top of this forum, a couple of the vendors he refers to will be able to hook you up with a street version. Also use the search feature on this and the other forums.
I have 30k on my PCCBs (GEN1 "bad") a couple of track days no issues, plenty of meat left on the pads. T2 has over 200k on his with no problem, not sure how many pad changes.
 

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Here's some information on the Brembo versions.
You won't find a higher quality set of rotor assemblies, that are street able, with a comparable cost.



The front is a Type 3 slotted / 350mm / 48 curved vane / disc directly from our racing division.

The rear is also a Type 3 slotted / 350mm / 48 curved vane / disc specifically manufactured for this application, also through our racing division.

Each disc is attached to the billet aluminum hat/bell with a patented McLaren hardware. This hardware allows the disc to perform as a fully floating rotor assembly (both axial and radial float) without the associated noise common for most race discs.

Retail is $1795 for the front pair, and $1995 for the rear pair.
For a car that is primarily used for the street I don't ever see you wearing through a full set of discs. Just replace pads as necessary. The good news is that pad options for use on a steel discs are practically unlimited. Pagid, Ferodo, PFC, Porterfield, Hawk, EBC, and on and on.

These were developed for people who will be actively tracking their cars in order to dramatically reduce operating costs and extend longevity of pads. They also serve as a high quality, high performance disc upgrade with improved weight reduction compared to the OEM type 1pc. cast iron discs.

The installation is direct bolt on, requiring ZERO modifications, and can be returned back to stock when it's time to trade in, or sell the vehicle. It's a great way to conserve the PCCB discs for the resale value of the car, and prevent any unwanted (and expensive) replacement costs.
 
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Here's some information on the Brembo versions.
You won't find a higher quality set of rotor assemblies, that are street able, with a comparable cost.



The front is a Type 3 slotted / 350mm / 48 curved vane / disc directly from our racing division.

The rear is also a Type 3 slotted / 350mm / 48 curved vane / disc specifically manufactured for this application, also through our racing division.

Each disc is attached to the billet aluminum hat/bell with a patented McLaren hardware. This hardware allows the disc to perform as a fully floating rotor assembly (both axial and radial float) without the associated noise common for most race discs.

Retail is $1795 for the front pair, and $1995 for the rear pair.
For a car that is primarily used for the street I don't ever see you wearing through a full set of discs. Just replace pads as necessary. The good news is that pad options for use on a steel discs are practically unlimited. Pagid, Ferodo, PFC, Porterfield, Hawk, EBC, and on and on.

These were developed for people who will be actively tracking their cars in order to dramatically reduce operating costs and extend longevity of pads. They also serve as a high quality, high performance disc upgrade with improved weight reduction compared to the OEM type 1pc. cast iron discs.

The installation is direct bolt on, requiring ZERO modifications, and can be returned back to stock when it's time to trade in, or sell the vehicle. It's a great way to conserve the PCCB discs for the resale value of the car, and prevent any unwanted (and expensive) replacement costs.
Is there a web site where I can check them out?

Thanks

SWR
 


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