the Evo hoses are a waste of money, the hoses just need stronger hose clamps to prevent them from popping off. For the intercooler to turbo hose, I am getting a different connecting device to replace the cheap snapping mechanism that the stock car has. This was the culprit today btw, I just got out from under my whip.

 

I do not have the hoses, however I beg to differ with you. I have seen and held the EVO hoses. They appear to be manufactured from a high quality silicon rubber. The stock units are a plain rubber.

As for the " cheap fastening mechanism", what are you talking about? The bayonet piece that fits into the intercooler is every well made. EVO appears to have copied this connection from Porsche. The problem with the piece is after you have connected and disconnected so many times it wears and you have to throw it away.

I could go on about the other pieces, however you didn't comment on them. If you have been on this board for any amount of time you will know I don't come to EVO's defense very often. However, in this case it is a quality product. I eliminated my problems by eliminating all but two hoses with hard connections. I would love to install the two hoses that EVO has made to go from the turbo to the intercooler on Killer Angel.

Do you have any idea how many hoses Killer Angel has split? I am not talking about leaking clamps.

 

Waste of money?? Maybe so, but I am not the one who is *****ing about hoses.

 

Actually, if you look at the cost of retail from Porsche on each of these hoses you will find that the cost is not that much more than the upgraded kit. The hose clamps ends are only part of the problem. They are a major issue, the edge is pressed out and will wear. The early versions were cut out. Both fail. The EVO hose ends are CNCed and solid. No failure there. The hose material will not split. It a multi layer silicone hose reinforced. The factory rubber will split. The BOV hose, is made of the same material. The factory rubber hose will split at the seam.

Take all of these and add them up. Take that and the amount of time to deal with the hose issue, the tow bill and the hassle at the dealer and the dry cleaning from your suit and you will have surpassed the price of the kit. Oh, piece of mind is worth something. Only you can value that. So at the end of the day the hose kit makes sense. Nothing sucks more than stranded on the side of the road while some idiot gets his jollies off of the honk in his GM made car because his is driving and yours isn't. The hose kit IS a good investment.

 

I don't doubt it is a good upgrade, the price seems obscene for just a few hoses, there is no way those cost more than $200 to manufacture (probably much less).

 

Stephen, A lot of research on my part simply to validate your post. So much so that I have a set of the EVO hoses on the shelf waiting for my 05 TT "S" Cab due in December. As a hard core racer since the 60's, I learned long ago that each upgrade will highlight the next weak link. Make the turbo put out more boost and it is logical that the conducting mechanism will be the next weak link.

The quality of the EVO hose package cannot be criticized unless you have the hoses in your hand. Once in your hand, it is immediately evident that the weak points of the factory hoses have been addressed by EVO. Some improvements do not produce HP or torque but rather reliability, dependability and drivability.

 

Rave TT, Specialized parts require R&D, low unit runs are more costly than building thousands of parts. Upgrade parts are typically priced in competition with factory parts and on that note the EVO hoses are a very good investment in the reliability of a modified turbo.

My business is in a niche market and my products tend to be more costly than my competitors, however I sell more because my products are proven! EVO has yet to deliver anything less than they claim. Until they do, I will evaluate and purchase their products where warranted.

The really great thing about the free market system is that YOU don't have to buy the hoses. Someone who is performance savvy will. I don't doubt that the cost to manufacture the hoses is nowhere near the retail price, but profit is not a dirty word!

 

You would be surprised how much the hose material cost until you buy a truck load. I have been having custom hoses made for builds for nearly 10 years. I can tell you it is not cheap to tell a hose manufacture to make what you want. The CNC time to cut the ends then the jigs to set the hoses up right. If the angle is off from the nipples on the end the hose will not fit and is worthless. They are then glued and banded.

 

Profit is a great thing, I just can't see myself spending $1000+ for a lousy hose set, of course OEM is always a rip off. I’m sure not much R&D went into these hoses, all the problems with the OEM seems pretty straight forward, copy the OEM hose with better materials and CNC new fittings, no big deal. The problem here is, no real competition, so name your price and **** the consumer. I think it’s a disgrace and an insult to the Porsche enthusiast.
Certain R&D excuses are valid, you want to tell me that GIAC spent lots of time and money to get the programing right, I can buy to some extent, I know, stop *****ing, you own a Porsche, deal with it, its just that this hose deal really hit a nerve.

 

selling them for $400.00 ........even if EVO got them for free, $400 bucks profit aint enough money for anyone to have to listen to whiney little *****es complain about **** when they have no clue what they are talking about....

 

For f##king a $1000+ they better have no problems, heck, they should send a few escorts to blow you while you wait for the install.

 

Get EVO's **** out of your mouth, then you can post your BS.

I call on EVO to show good will and sell the set to 6speed members for $600 a set, that is still on the high side but fair for all.

 

FU

 

It is always amazing to me how much smarter others are than the folks who design and build products. It would seem, based solely on your confidence on the subject, that you could produce these hoses for a couple of hundred dollars and make a profit.

Unless you can produce, be a bit more tolerant to those who do. I, for one, think that many of the mods offered for the Turbo are extremely expensive. Overpriced, that depends on a lot of factors. If you can't see yourself paying the $1,300 for the EVO hoses and you also think that OEM is a "rip off", that leaves making hoses from your own design. Let's see your work?

 

I happen to work in the automotive industry and have dealt with several tier one and two manufacturers here in the states and abroad, I understand the R&D issues, I understand the limited market and return on such specialty products for a fairly small market, I also understand outrageously high pricing and with this particular product, I feel the price is very high. I'm not in the retail end of the industry nor do I have the time to prove a point, I hope some manufacturer does seize the opportunity to make a good product at a fair price and show some level of good will to the Porsche enthusiast market.