996 Turbo / GT2 Turbo discussion on previous model 2000-2005 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo and 911 GT2.

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Old Oct 12, 2004 | 11:58 AM
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For f##king a $1000+ they better have no problems, heck, they should send a few escorts to blow you while you wait for the install.
Who says they didn't

Seriously. If you don't like them then don't buy them, problem solved.
 

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Old Oct 12, 2004 | 12:10 PM
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Of course 1k for hoses is a rip off, but at least evo isn't asking for anyone's first born.... yet.
 
Old Oct 12, 2004 | 12:35 PM
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i don't understand the *****ing......thats the price...if u don't want it dont buy it!....i totally understand about the "*****ing" "whinning" customer I'm one of them and i wouldnt deal with myself for less than a good margin of profit. Not to mention that the guys at evo have generally been fair and stood behind their product when push comes to shove and also to mention they are well under the "big boys" ie. gembella, ruf, cargraphics, etc when it comes to prices!
 
Old Oct 12, 2004 | 01:19 PM
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Chill guys... As Chad said, he saw those hoses and I've installed them on a couple of cars- they are a BIG BIG improvement over the stock ****. The stock ones not only blow out and tear (the POS DV one has gone like 3 times on me now) but they contract under pressure and LEAK. That is what these new hoses stop from happening. Run more boost with stock hoses and leak away or run these and stop the leaking... You could hang a 400 pound gorrilla off of them and they don't budge....
 

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Old Oct 12, 2004 | 01:22 PM
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And if anyone claims they can make them for 300 bucks then please go ahead and do so and we'll test them under pressure... You have to at least see them before you criticise them. Now as far as the Gemballa ones go, again I'm not sure why they charge 3.5k but...
 
Old Oct 12, 2004 | 02:12 PM
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sorry guys. This sounds very familiar. I was flattened when I saw that a muffler for an M3 costs like $1500! For a muffler? Give me a break.

How do you justify that when HKS, Greddy, etc.. make great performing cat back exhausts for all sorts of high horsepower cars (Supras, Skylines, etc..) for $600?

Before you start telling me that the M3 is a low volume special, consider the fact there are (almost) more M3s sold every year than the total number of Supras and Rx7 TTs that were sold in the US over 3-5 years of production.

Buy a more expensive car and evryone wants a cut! Even the valet guy!
 
Old Oct 12, 2004 | 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by ari
consider the fact there are (almost) more M3s sold every year than the total number of Supras and Rx7 TTs that were sold in the US over 3-5 years of production.
Ari, You answered your own question! Fewer 996TT are produced than almost any SUPERCAR with the exception of Lambo, Ferrari and Maserati. In fact, the 05 TT "S" will see fewer than 560 units total for the model year! Fewer cars means less parts sold. Less parts sold means fewer units to amortize R&D costs, tooling costs and unit profit.

Like I stated in an earlier post, I also feel Turbo parts are expensive, BUT you must consider upgrade parts as a direct comparison to factory OEM parts. If a OEM Turbo muffler is $2,500.00 then the aftermarket will key on that basline price. If the OEM hoses are $1,000 then the aftermarket will key on that baseline price. Don't lay all the blame on the aftermarket guys, the factory leads the way. Better parts than factory SHOULD cost more than factory!

You want lower mod prices, buy a car that is sold in quanity, like the M3 or Vett or Mustang (need I list more?). If you play with a $100K plus SUPERCAR, expect to pay for aftermarket parts. AND if you think our Turbo parts are bad, look at the $8K to $12K price for a Lambo exhaust, or the $12K glass hood so you can show off your engine? Parts pricing is relative to the vehicle.
 

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Old Oct 12, 2004 | 02:45 PM
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Seems to me like to some of us capitolism is a bad word. It is a free market if someone can come up with the idea design it, produce it, market it and sell it all for less money then EVO then they can do so and they will sell if they can stay in business. Until then EVO has the least expensive ones on the market If want them now that is the price and in a few years they will probably $600 so just hold tight.
 
Old Oct 12, 2004 | 02:47 PM
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Sweet I can get Gemballa Hoses to match my Turbo!!

 
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One thing some of you guys have to understand. There is a very heavy cost to have someone make the molds for those silicon hoses. I don't know for sure but I probably know where they are being made. I looked into it myself and the cost of the mold turned me away. EVO stepped up to the plate and took a chance hoping to recover these costs.

I for one thank them as the asking price is far under just the cost of the molds. In addition, if you can't afford the $1,000.00 then it is probably a good thing that you don't shell out the monies to utilize 1.2 bar power and above. It really is a small price to pay in comparison to the whole mod.
 
Old Oct 12, 2004 | 11:40 PM
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Regarding the pricing on the hoses... it is a retail price which can always be negotiated! How many of you guys walked into the dealer and paid sticker for your Porsches? Hopefully none... well the same goes for anything else that is retailed. I am sure that EvoMS would sell the dumb *** hoses close to their cost unless they are short on supply and have several customers waiting for them. They will sell anything to make a profit, little or large b/c they know there are several suckas out there that will pay full retail for one of their bull**** GT800 turbo kits and they are making a killing on their claimed 700+ whp to those people. If they refuse to negotiate to earn your business then f--k them and buy the hoses somewhere else.

Originally posted by offroad911

EVO has yet to deliver anything less than they claim. Until they do, I will evaluate and purchase their products where warranted.
 

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Old Oct 12, 2004 | 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by offroad911
Ari, You answered your own question! Fewer 996TT are produced than almost any SUPERCAR with the exception of Lambo, Ferrari and Maserati. In fact, the 05 TT "S" will see fewer than 560 units total for the model year! Fewer cars means less parts sold. Less parts sold means fewer units to amortize R&D costs, tooling costs and unit profit.

Like I stated in an earlier post, I also feel Turbo parts are expensive, BUT you must consider upgrade parts as a direct comparison to factory OEM parts. If a OEM Turbo muffler is $2,500.00 then the aftermarket will key on that basline price. If the OEM hoses are $1,000 then the aftermarket will key on that baseline price. Don't lay all the blame on the aftermarket guys, the factory leads the way. Better parts than factory SHOULD cost more than factory!

You want lower mod prices, buy a car that is sold in quanity, like the M3 or Vett or Mustang (need I list more?). If you play with a $100K plus SUPERCAR, expect to pay for aftermarket parts. AND if you think our Turbo parts are bad, look at the $8K to $12K price for a Lambo exhaust, or the $12K glass hood so you can show off your engine? Parts pricing is relative to the vehicle.
I agree with you to some extent, but the aftermarket mods for our cars are marked up to a rediculous amount many times b/c people know that most consumers driving the cars that we drive have the $$ to pay for it. That is bull****. When carbon fiber trim costs almost $10k on a 996TT, but only $1000 to do an M3 then I will say that someone is trying to bend someone over here.
 
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how about a group buy on the hoses?
 
Old Oct 13, 2004 | 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by sporters78
how about a group buy on the hoses?
Im in, depending on price.
 
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Originally posted by Matt Fresh
I agree with you to some extent, but the aftermarket mods for our cars are marked up to a rediculous amount many times b/c people know that most consumers driving the cars that we drive have the $$ to pay for it. That is bull****. When carbon fiber trim costs almost $10k on a 996TT, but only $1000 to do an M3 then I will say that someone is trying to bend someone over here.
i agree with matt on this one...


as soon as tehy see porsche they will ripp your a$$ a new one.. to be honest is it really worth it to pay 10,000.00 for a TT exhaust ? even with all the r&d etc. i dotn thinkit should cost more than 3,000.00 at the most , which i still think is too expensive.. and true about the carbon fiber parts.... 6,000.00 an up to do the interior, when you know you can buy it for a whole lot less, eventhough sellers, or companies know that porsche owners can afford the mods, we still do not deserve to get a 400% markup on the items that we want..

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