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anyone running a proto style air system with and EPL tune?

Old May 10, 2009 | 09:05 AM
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anyone running a proto style air system with and EPL tune?

looking for some hp numbers or 60-130's ... someone with a protomotive style blow thru ford maf and and EPL tune . would like to see if there is a hp difference acording to the vbox im only putting 602 hp at 1.3bar to the wheels seems low

i am running
k24/20g
60lb deka injectors
3.8bar fpr
104 oct sunoco gt plus fuel
2.5 inch fender well proto air intake
ford blow thru maf
4.5 inch ic's

thanks
tim
 
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Have you run any 60-130's? That would be a better tool to work with rather than someone's dyno numbers. At ~600whp, you should be in the 5.9-6.0 area, maybe better?
 
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I think he's just trying to figure out why he's not seeing more power out of his set-up.

Tim, it does seem a little low. What's Todd K think of the numbers. With your setup, you should be putting down over 700, no?
 
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Hey Tim what are your Air fuel Reading like?

PS. we are talking about the porsche not the lawn mower from Yesterday right? LOL
 
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LOL.... thats funny corey no the p car... my afr's are in the high 11's
 

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Rwhp or awhp? Mustang or dynojet? 60-130 would be a much better way of seeing how much power your making
 
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Rwhp or awhp? Mustang or dynojet? 60-130 would be a much better way of seeing how much power your making
awd off a vbox...
 
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Originally Posted by TXGold
I think he's just trying to figure out why he's not seeing more power out of his set-up.

Tim, it does seem a little low. What's Todd K think of the numbers. With your setup, you should be putting down over 700, no?
i talked with todd last week i was supposed to get down there this week for a dyno tune (another 2k ouch) but he had some personal stuff come up.. he was thinking that he could get 700 to the wheels on 104oct... ill attach a data log file of the pulls
 
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your 602 whp is right on with a brake hp of 750. Is the 750 kit supposed to provide 750 brake at 104 octane? if so, then I would say you are right on. Sorry for the ignorance on my part, but not sure how these kits are numbered.
 
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Tim,

I believe Tony can tune with a blow thru MAF. He was going to tune my car when I had the Ford MAF and Proto pipes installed (blow thru), but we tried a Bosch program for comparison and I preferred the drivability of the Bosch programming, so we went in that direction. I re-installed the OEM intake. Tony is familiar with blow-thru tuning and has done it on other cars (other than Porsche), so I think it may be an option for you.
 
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Question is how accurate is the Vbox? Keep us posted Tim what Todd thinks
 
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I believe Tony can tune with a blow thru MAF. He was going to tune my car when I had the Ford MAF and Proto pipes installed (blow thru), but we tried a Bosch program for comparison and I preferred the drivability of the Bosch programming, so we went in that direction. I re-installed the OEM intake. Tony is familiar with blow-thru tuning and has done it on other cars (other than Porsche), so I think it may be an option for you.
Sorry for the slight diversion, but can I ask why you chose to go back to the original intake and MAF set up rather than keep the Proto intake?
 
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Originally Posted by colorinc
looking for some hp numbers or 60-130's ... someone with a protomotive style blow thru ford maf and and EPL tune . would like to see if there is a hp difference acording to the vbox im only putting 602 hp at 1.3bar to the wheels seems low

i am running
k24/20g
60lb deka injectors
3.8bar fpr
104 oct sunoco gt plus fuel
2.5 inch fender well proto air intake
ford blow thru maf
4.5 inch ic's

thanks
tim
Will be very interested to see your outcome as the 24/20s will be my next potential upgrade and the rest of my set up is extremely close to yours at the moment (with the exception of 24/18s for me). Good luck getting it to the levels you are looking for Tim.
 
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Originally Posted by colorinc
looking for some hp numbers or 60-130's ... someone with a protomotive style blow thru ford maf and and EPL tune . would like to see if there is a hp difference acording to the vbox im only putting 602 hp at 1.3bar to the wheels seems low

i am running
k24/20g
60lb deka injectors
3.8bar fpr
104 oct sunoco gt plus fuel
2.5 inch fender well proto air intake
ford blow thru maf
4.5 inch ic's

thanks
tim
Since you have the V-Box, what were your 60-130 times??
I have similar turbos to you, but have stock intercoolers, stock intake box and filter, 58lb injectors with a 5bar, and in RWD on a dynojet I made 621rwhp at 1.3 spike, settling to about 1.25ish bar. I don't have a box, so I don't have any 60-130 #'s to give out, but I might be taking the car to the strip before it moves on to the new owner to see what it traps.

Tim
 
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Originally Posted by colorinc
i talked with todd last week i was supposed to get down there this week for a dyno tune (another 2k ouch) but he had some personal stuff come up.. he was thinking that he could get 700 to the wheels on 104oct... ill attach a data log file of the pulls
I looked at log. The intake temps are good. Something that bothers me though (although Iam far from an expert at interpreting this data) is that your lambdas initially drop nicely to ~0.8 or so. However, at higher RPMs (say above 6300 or so) the lambas rise to 0.87-0.9 and sometimes a little higher.
I would be concerned on my engine with these numbers but since your engine is not on a stock bottom end they may well be fine.
 

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