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Old Jun 27, 2009 | 04:34 AM
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First Track Day in the GT2.......Advice

Hey Guys......

Looking for advice from anyone who has taken their car on the track, either Turbo or GT2 (GT2 drivers would be great to hear from, as to compare like to like) but any advice is welcomed.

I have done a few skid pan days to get a feel for the car and its handling, which has helped me settle into the car allot better, but now it's time for the track which equals allot more speed and corners. I have been on the track regularly with my supercharged M3 E46, so track experience or the control of power is not my concern.

What I really like to know before speed and corners are involved is, what should I expect from the switch from front mounted engine (M3) to rear (GT2), is it as lethal as many drivers post i.e. when it lets go it will bite you What is the advice for cornering, lift off or keep the power on??

Not looking to record any PB on the first outing, just want to enjoy the car, and drive it home as it arrived
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Old Jun 27, 2009 | 04:47 AM
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Hi,

I've been tracking my GT2 for over 2 years (have the EVOMS GT700). My advice is to be consistent with hitting your marks on the track and stay smooth, remember to continue carrying momentum through turns (i.e. don't let its power on the straights make you sloppy through turns).

Maintain throttle up to the apex and gradually apply power (unless you are looking to use lifting to rotate the car to set up a turn, then you can lift - don't know how advanced your skills are). I don't know what tires you are running but with the Kumho V700s I used and now the Nitto NT01s, I find 38 - 40 psi hot makes for a happy set up. Heel toe at downshifts is also very important.
 
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Hasten slowly! What track?
 
Old Jun 28, 2009 | 06:16 AM
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Thanks Gene for the advice

So definately slow in, fast out is the winner?

I have seen a few Video's on the net that showinf rear engine cars (Turbos and GT2), having the rear end come round on them mid corner. That is my biggest concern. I'm sure it won't happen while i'm taking it easy etc. just when I get more confident and push it bit more that trouble could happen.

Have you had this happen yet??
 
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Hasten slowly! What track?
I agree

The tracks are Lakeside in Queensland and Queensland Raceway. You can see them on http://www.porsche-qld.org.au/motorsport/ and some of the times the other cars achieve, my goal is to be the same pace as the top group (not the cup cars of course)

My M3, was around 2-3 seconds of the Modded Turbos and Stock GT3's (all time lost was in cornering speed, the M3 doesn't have big enough shoes compared to the Porsche's, so cornering was always slower).

But now with the GT2, I am on a level playing field (except for time in the car of course).
 
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I wish you the best on your track day with the magnificent GT2. Sorry I can't give you any technical advice since I myself am a complete novice to the GT2 and have never taken it to a track. I have track experience with my M Coupe, but that's a completely different animal. As for common sense advice, take it easy, you will not be able to use the car's full potential at first. Just let the "lesser" or "inferior" vehicles go by (let them have a little thrill that they "passed the mighty GT2"). As EL GT2 says . . . . SMOOTH . . . . after a few track days no one without a rocket engine will touch you.
 
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I've had 1 spin but it was because someone lost coolant on the track - luckily my spin stayed on the track and no one else was around.

Good thing you've had the car on the skid pad - definitely gives you an idea of where the limit is. Regarding the rear end coming around, most of that is caused by taking a corner too fast, panicking, lifting off the throttle, and then all of a sudden there is no power being planted through the drivetrain and the rear end gets light. So yes - slow in, fast out, consistency, SMOOTHNESS with inputs (braking, steering, throttle), and gradual increments in speed (monitor entry & exit speeds @ corners and GRADUALLY dial them up as needed).

Also remember to look way ahead and look through your turn (you should be looking ahead at your track out point before you even hit your braking point). RELAX, BREATHE, and keep an easy grip on the steering. Have fun!

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Thanks Gene for the advice

So definately slow in, fast out is the winner?

I have seen a few Video's on the net that showinf rear engine cars (Turbos and GT2), having the rear end come round on them mid corner. That is my biggest concern. I'm sure it won't happen while i'm taking it easy etc. just when I get more confident and push it bit more that trouble could happen.

Have you had this happen yet??
 
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I wish you the best on your track day with the magnificent GT2. Sorry I can't give you any technical advice since I myself am a complete novice to the GT2 and have never taken it to a track. I have track experience with my M Coupe, but that's a completely different animal. As for common sense advice, take it easy, you will not be able to use the car's full potential at first. Just let the "lesser" or "inferior" vehicles go by (let them have a little thrill that they "passed the mighty GT2"). As EL GT2 says . . . . SMOOTH . . . . after a few track days no one without a rocket engine will touch you.

Absolutely, that's the goal for the future, quick and safe. I agree (common sense approach), one thing I have always left at home when I go to the track is one'e ego! Sadly I see alot of it on and off the track, which I try to avoid like the plague, but sometimes it unavoidable which make it just dangerous.

As for inferior there is going to be a Lambo LP640 there in the group so will be great to see what times it does, but for sure, I will have the 'L' plates on until I am happy how it feels.

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Thanks again Gene, very sound advice and great tips. Which I will be putting into practise.

What kind of RWHP are you making? Do you find that it has too much power to use it all on the track, (hence don't want to be fast on the straights and slow cornering).

Allot of the guys here in OZ that race thier Turbos and GT3, WOW they really put the power down on the corners......never seen anyone come off, but they really do have some massive b#lls, they hardly brake, and just plant the foot and the **** digs in and goes round.

None the less it will allot of fun

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Hi all,

I'm sorry to be off topic but did any of your GT2's had the 2nd gear popout problem that is found on most 996 turbos?

I appreciate your feedback, thanks.

Allan
 
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I am no expert, but I have taken lessons from a few porsche instructors on how to hit the corners in these cars, and the big secret is to try to keep the balance/weight transfer forward. Break hard into the turns and then slow let off the breaks to maintain weight forward and apply throttle slowly giving it more as you keep on turning. At some point past the apex you will be at full throttle if you keep on applying it. This was the hardest part for me. it actually works. I drove a carreraS and Carrera4s like that. The big thing is to keep understeer out of the equation. Hopefully the track regulars will throw in some tips for you
 
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