Tiptronic Information Thread
I've started this thread a while back and it appears as once in a while someone who is interested in learning about TIPs comes across it and shares their acquired knowledge. I definitely don't see it as a bad thing. I'm still learning myself.
I assume you "glanced" over the thread and saw someone else refer to you as "white horse".
Apparently you're not interested in TIPs anymore as :
a. You're not willing to contribute anything of value
b. Don't own a tip anymore
c. Didn't even pay enough attention to notice it wasn't me (referring to you as "white horse"). Although I'm sure whoever did didn't mean in in a bad way.
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Adam, I quoted the wrong post. My bad. Whats with the name calling?
I've started this thread a while back and it appears as once in a while someone who is interested in learning about TIPs comes across it and shares their acquired knowledge. I definitely don't see it as a bad thing. I'm still learning myself.
I assume you "glanced" over the thread and saw someone else refer to you as "white horse".
Apparently you're not interested in TIPs anymore as :
a. You're not willing to contribute anything of value
b. Don't own a tip anymore
c. Didn't even pay enough attention to notice it wasn't me (referring to you as "white horse"). Although I'm sure whoever did didn't mean in in a bad way.
I've started this thread a while back and it appears as once in a while someone who is interested in learning about TIPs comes across it and shares their acquired knowledge. I definitely don't see it as a bad thing. I'm still learning myself.
I assume you "glanced" over the thread and saw someone else refer to you as "white horse".
Apparently you're not interested in TIPs anymore as :
a. You're not willing to contribute anything of value
b. Don't own a tip anymore
c. Didn't even pay enough attention to notice it wasn't me (referring to you as "white horse"). Although I'm sure whoever did didn't mean in in a bad way.
well my bad on the white horse! got it...black horse. and its me beating the dead horse because i cant get any solid solutionary information.
either way, im not sure you were referring to me as the one who seemed like they already knew a lot, but that would be a big negative! all i know is what i have read here and compiled it into one thought, none of this has begun the application phase, but if i dont plan ahead i got a real mess looming. seems like if the tippy is the weak link in my goals, it needs to be the first thing to work on. so i am gathering the most extensive and inclusive information i can get. but like i said, im not getting any definitive answers from anyone. just a lot of speculation and hear say. i know you had some problems around 550HP but im not convinced that wasnt isolated. i have no idea what shape your tranny was in, mine only has 29K on it. the information is very scattered and elusive so i revitalized this thread and hope it becomes a one stop shop for the tip modifier.
the remaining questions i have are listed below. anyone feel free to chime in and i promise when i take on some of these projects i will have some pics and info. i have some calls out to some places about custom torque converters provided i have a core or flywheel. i am very confident that the stock TC can be modified and at 1/4 price of whats for sale also have calls in to some places that modify valve bodies to see what they can offer.
1. does anyne have a DIY on solenoid replacement/upgrade? should be easy once valve body is removed!! i guess!!
2. does anyone know if a modified factory valve body is a good idea? If not, is there an MB (IPT part number IPT 722.6 / W5A580 / NAG1 Modified Valve Body) application that will work, if not IPT says they can modify existing VB. is this a bad idea? what about the new 997 tippy valve bodies, maybe they work? or new GT2's
3. does anyone know of a transmission oil cooler that will work, is it a kit, is it custom from any old aftermarket tranny cooler, and is there a DIY? IPT has a ton at this link http://www.importperformancetrans.co...er--140-1.html but which one if any is for us?
4. is there an aftermarket torque converter that will work besides the $1650 one from EVOMS. IPT has Mercedes 722.6 Custom High stall Torque Converter. if a custom TC can be built, does that requirs ECU upgrade or tranny computer upgrade?
either way, im not sure you were referring to me as the one who seemed like they already knew a lot, but that would be a big negative! all i know is what i have read here and compiled it into one thought, none of this has begun the application phase, but if i dont plan ahead i got a real mess looming. seems like if the tippy is the weak link in my goals, it needs to be the first thing to work on. so i am gathering the most extensive and inclusive information i can get. but like i said, im not getting any definitive answers from anyone. just a lot of speculation and hear say. i know you had some problems around 550HP but im not convinced that wasnt isolated. i have no idea what shape your tranny was in, mine only has 29K on it. the information is very scattered and elusive so i revitalized this thread and hope it becomes a one stop shop for the tip modifier.
the remaining questions i have are listed below. anyone feel free to chime in and i promise when i take on some of these projects i will have some pics and info. i have some calls out to some places about custom torque converters provided i have a core or flywheel. i am very confident that the stock TC can be modified and at 1/4 price of whats for sale also have calls in to some places that modify valve bodies to see what they can offer.
1. does anyne have a DIY on solenoid replacement/upgrade? should be easy once valve body is removed!! i guess!!
2. does anyone know if a modified factory valve body is a good idea? If not, is there an MB (IPT part number IPT 722.6 / W5A580 / NAG1 Modified Valve Body) application that will work, if not IPT says they can modify existing VB. is this a bad idea? what about the new 997 tippy valve bodies, maybe they work? or new GT2's
3. does anyone know of a transmission oil cooler that will work, is it a kit, is it custom from any old aftermarket tranny cooler, and is there a DIY? IPT has a ton at this link http://www.importperformancetrans.co...er--140-1.html but which one if any is for us?
4. is there an aftermarket torque converter that will work besides the $1650 one from EVOMS. IPT has Mercedes 722.6 Custom High stall Torque Converter. if a custom TC can be built, does that requirs ECU upgrade or tranny computer upgrade?
well my bad on the white horse! got it...black horse. and its me beating the dead horse because i cant get any solid solutionary information.
either way, im not sure you were referring to me as the one who seemed like they already knew a lot, but that would be a big negative! all i know is what i have read here and compiled it into one thought, none of this has begun the application phase, but if i dont plan ahead i got a real mess looming. seems like if the tippy is the weak link in my goals, it needs to be the first thing to work on. so i am gathering the most extensive and inclusive information i can get. but like i said, im not getting any definitive answers from anyone. just a lot of speculation and hear say. i know you had some problems around 550HP but im not convinced that wasnt isolated. i have no idea what shape your tranny was in, mine only has 29K on it. the information is very scattered and elusive so i revitalized this thread and hope it becomes a one stop shop for the tip modifier.
the remaining questions i have are listed below. anyone feel free to chime in and i promise when i take on some of these projects i will have some pics and info. i have some calls out to some places about custom torque converters provided i have a core or flywheel. i am very confident that the stock TC can be modified and at 1/4 price of whats for sale also have calls in to some places that modify valve bodies to see what they can offer.
1. does anyne have a DIY on solenoid replacement/upgrade? should be easy once valve body is removed!! i guess!!
2. does anyone know if a modified factory valve body is a good idea? If not, is there an MB (IPT part number IPT 722.6 / W5A580 / NAG1 Modified Valve Body) application that will work, if not IPT says they can modify existing VB. is this a bad idea? what about the new 997 tippy valve bodies, maybe they work? or new GT2's
3. does anyone know of a transmission oil cooler that will work, is it a kit, is it custom from any old aftermarket tranny cooler, and is there a DIY? IPT has a ton at this link http://www.importperformancetrans.co...er--140-1.html but which one if any is for us?
4. is there an aftermarket torque converter that will work besides the $1650 one from EVOMS. IPT has Mercedes 722.6 Custom High stall Torque Converter. if a custom TC can be built, does that requirs ECU upgrade or tranny computer upgrade?
either way, im not sure you were referring to me as the one who seemed like they already knew a lot, but that would be a big negative! all i know is what i have read here and compiled it into one thought, none of this has begun the application phase, but if i dont plan ahead i got a real mess looming. seems like if the tippy is the weak link in my goals, it needs to be the first thing to work on. so i am gathering the most extensive and inclusive information i can get. but like i said, im not getting any definitive answers from anyone. just a lot of speculation and hear say. i know you had some problems around 550HP but im not convinced that wasnt isolated. i have no idea what shape your tranny was in, mine only has 29K on it. the information is very scattered and elusive so i revitalized this thread and hope it becomes a one stop shop for the tip modifier.
the remaining questions i have are listed below. anyone feel free to chime in and i promise when i take on some of these projects i will have some pics and info. i have some calls out to some places about custom torque converters provided i have a core or flywheel. i am very confident that the stock TC can be modified and at 1/4 price of whats for sale also have calls in to some places that modify valve bodies to see what they can offer.
1. does anyne have a DIY on solenoid replacement/upgrade? should be easy once valve body is removed!! i guess!!
2. does anyone know if a modified factory valve body is a good idea? If not, is there an MB (IPT part number IPT 722.6 / W5A580 / NAG1 Modified Valve Body) application that will work, if not IPT says they can modify existing VB. is this a bad idea? what about the new 997 tippy valve bodies, maybe they work? or new GT2's
3. does anyone know of a transmission oil cooler that will work, is it a kit, is it custom from any old aftermarket tranny cooler, and is there a DIY? IPT has a ton at this link http://www.importperformancetrans.co...er--140-1.html but which one if any is for us?
4. is there an aftermarket torque converter that will work besides the $1650 one from EVOMS. IPT has Mercedes 722.6 Custom High stall Torque Converter. if a custom TC can be built, does that requirs ECU upgrade or tranny computer upgrade?
No prob.
Fill us in on what you know thou. We have a "vague" idea of when it will fail. The point is we want to either prolong the life of the trans or avoid an expensive rebuilt. I guess kind-off like changing a timing belt instead of waiting till it snaps.
Fill us in on what you know thou. We have a "vague" idea of when it will fail. The point is we want to either prolong the life of the trans or avoid an expensive rebuilt. I guess kind-off like changing a timing belt instead of waiting till it snaps.
i totally agree about the preventative maintenance. obviously the clutches dont do well, but thats the most expensive and extensive repair. if i can take some of the heat and stress away from the clutches il do it. and its all theoretical at this point. my estimates expect that quite a bit can be done for about 3-4000$ particularly if its DIY. which is about what the 6 speed guys end up spending on the mack daddy clutches anyway so it fair!! i still think tranny cooler is single most important mod, but how to, im not sure yet
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From what I am told, the 997 and 996 share some important parts in the tip. Make sure you keep up with these guys if you are going big.. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...x-upgrade.html
Also, there is a member here whiteknight who is well versed in the tiptronics and was probably the root of the mix up.
Also, there is a member here whiteknight who is well versed in the tiptronics and was probably the root of the mix up.
From what I am told, the 997 and 996 share some important parts in the tip. Make sure you keep up with these guys if you are going big.. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...x-upgrade.html
Also, there is a member here whiteknight who is well versed in the tiptronics and was probably the root of the mix up.
Also, there is a member here whiteknight who is well versed in the tiptronics and was probably the root of the mix up.
From what I am told, the 997 and 996 share some important parts in the tip. Make sure you keep up with these guys if you are going big.. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...x-upgrade.html
Also, there is a member here whiteknight who is well versed in the tiptronics and was probably the root of the mix up.
Also, there is a member here whiteknight who is well versed in the tiptronics and was probably the root of the mix up.
Looks like good stuff.
Looking at the pics....I've been 1/2 way with my project taking things apart already...looks like the 997tt tip is not much different from the 996tt. At least the transfer case doesn't look any different.
I'm surprised that Whiteknight or Switzer hasn't chimed in yet. Maybe we need to invite them to this thread.
I mean if there is a kit and it's affordable to buy and DIY than I'm all for it. Looking at the pics.....I can hack it
WOW!! those guys are getting serious! ysfg make it seem like he did the upgrade himself in his kitchen during the comercials, but didnt really elaborate much on what was done or the process other than more clutches. did you contact switzer or whiteknight to find out what the deal is with the 996? i dont care to upgrade clutches myself but if there is an ALL inclusive kit, i bet your local MB dealer can install or perhaps vivid, evoms, or i hope akram in houston. guess we need to see whats in the kit!
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get me the kit and I'll do the DIY writeup seriously thou we need to find more details about it. $$$ and what's included and how far will it safely take us.
iv been taking a look at the 997 tiptronic discussions. not sure why it didnt occur to me b4! those guys are really getting it done over there. sounds like switzer has done their homework but isnt going to relinquish any secrets. thats fine if price is right i dont need to know. i do feel like iv been left for another man tho....the 997
i havnt got a clue. i know with the TCU upgrade it ups the rev limiter to up to 7200 depending on tuner.
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Guys,
You know our Tips have coolers already. Whats the problem with it. If it is not efficient enough can't a bigger one be fitted.
I have 3rd gear slip on mine.
Its a K16 stage 2 Revo Teknik with 100 cell Miltek, K&N & Parr DV's Running 99 (UK) octane and 0.9 to 1.0 bar boost. Dyno with stage 1 before the Exhaust and 100 cell cats: 482 BHP and 550 ft lbs at the flywheel.... not at the wheels.Then add on the improvement for stage 2 (7%) and the 100 Cell Miltek ( 25/30bhp??) so its close as you are ever going to get from a K16 car and has Tip problems!!
Still, the cooler that is already on the car interests me (everyone talks like it hasn't got one). it must be able to be made more efficient??
Frank
You know our Tips have coolers already. Whats the problem with it. If it is not efficient enough can't a bigger one be fitted.
I have 3rd gear slip on mine.
Its a K16 stage 2 Revo Teknik with 100 cell Miltek, K&N & Parr DV's Running 99 (UK) octane and 0.9 to 1.0 bar boost. Dyno with stage 1 before the Exhaust and 100 cell cats: 482 BHP and 550 ft lbs at the flywheel.... not at the wheels.Then add on the improvement for stage 2 (7%) and the 100 Cell Miltek ( 25/30bhp??) so its close as you are ever going to get from a K16 car and has Tip problems!!
Still, the cooler that is already on the car interests me (everyone talks like it hasn't got one). it must be able to be made more efficient??
Frank