A 996 TT with 600 Hp + and suspension work will definitely be faster around the track than any GT3 stock assuming similar skill level drivers. I have personal experience racing my friends at the greater skill level on both 996GT3 and 997 GT3. Its not even close on the straights! …with some suspension mods 911 Turbo will be the fastest car. Alzen motorsports has the fastest car on the ring record…that’s a modified 996 turbo.

 

Depends on the track and the two drivers. You should slaughter the GT3 on anything with long straights. On tight courses, your hands will be full unless you have the car dialed in.

 

sechsgang that is a cup car with a fresh 3.8 factory motorsport engine?

gl with that Heavy!

 

+ 1 That's the ultimate answer. Go to road america in your 996tt , you wont even see the Gt3 again...Blackhawk and gingerman is a challenge but can be done.

 

its still a 3.6, but its what I like to call "special"...ehem...put it this way, its not in GTC3 thats for sure.

 

R100s and take your time, Ill want at least an event at pocono long course (so I can make sure this thing is ok all the way up to top speed, and the glen so I can dial in the handling. I was thinking about finding something for VIR in July. (later).

 

Not really surprised this has migrated to a contest, but the question is still "can a turbo be made to handle as well as a GT3?" In ultimate grip? Yes. In fine-tuned ability to control the car precisely around a turn? No. It's much easier to vary torque at a more granular level with an NA motor.

Now, moving the question to whether an NA can keep up with a turbo on a track is just idiotic. HP is HP is HP. Same car, same suspension, more power wins. Period. GT2 is always going to be faster around N'ring than GT3, can't even imagine how you could possibly argue any other outcome.

And the only way that "fine tuned" throttle makes up for the difference is if you are talking relatively close power levels (say 30hp or so).

Keep in mind, we aren't talking on/off 930s, the newer TTs have pretty linear power delivery. Just a LOT MORE!

 

No question there...but, my little competition is more about competing against a full bore racecar rather than a street gt3. Street for street a modded turbo can def edge out a modded gt3. Takes a crapload of money, but its doable for sure.

 

Wow what a great thread, I think Heavy hit the nail on the head. The GT3 is more of an inertia car so it will do very well on handling tracks. But on horsepower tracks the 911 TT should have no problems. I am glad to hear that the corner speeds can be similar with mods, because I am a power nut so a 996 TT modified or GT2 would be the only 996 I would consider!

 

gotta give the edge to the racecar then. I see fairly well driven cup cars run 1:58 to 2:00 pretty consistently at VIR, and I only know of 2 996TT(both GT2s) that have broken 2 minutes with *perfect* setups and lots of power (still street legal though).

You have to admit though that a car that is still streetable with 500 extra pounds being almost as fast as a cup car is astonishing.

 

Oh hell ya, no doubt about it at ALL!

And just for a little tidbit, this car has been around VIR "significantly" faster than a 1:58... Wont say what the time is yet bc I need to match it first...but I said this wasnt the average cup either

 

I really wanted to stay away from this thread... but that is the key, WEIGHT

Yes power is a part of it, but I find on most circuits it is very difficult to get the power down and find the sweet spot with the turbo... I myself was running quicker times at 1bar rather than 1.2bar... power was just too ferocious out of the turn... Cup Car is quicker through the turn and exit by the time you catch up your in the next turn and the Cup would be away again and remember that's not taking braking into consideration... again really depends which circuit, but 90% of the time the Cup Car would checkout.

Good to see how Dez does... what are both your times there?

 

well, i will have what the car ran there on file, but because I havent ran it there, I cant exactly say myself. But that said Im pretty confident this will be a fun competition.

 

+1 Uwe Alzen 7:04 at the Ring RECORD 996 TT............GT3 has nothing to do with a modded 996tt.

 

End of July is out for me. I'm planning to run the PBOC/Viper days event if I can get the clutch sorted out in time. That is July 9-11. If not then, I'm running Road Atlanta end of July and wouldn't want to make that trip again back to back. Isn't there big fall event we can go to (September or so).


I've only been to VIR once (march 08'), and I still have some learning to do, especially oak tree. But hopefully we can put this off till fall so I can get one more weekend up there. My car though, is quite different from what I drove in 08.