Can the 996 Turbo handle like a GT3?
#226
02-11-2010, 11:05 AM
I think the outsider FFsupra has learned more from this thread than you have. you seemed to have apexed way to early
Last edited by Prche951; 02-11-2010 at 11:13 AM.
#227
02-11-2010, 11:38 AM
Registered User
Come on Dennis, That's hitting a bit below the belt there now! He's just focusing on that fine precision steering/ handling, that's all!! 
Seriously, no harm or ill intent here from this point forward by me... I find it all humorous... We love these cars gang, and this IS the 996 TURBO category. Of course we're going to be passionate about them!
In the end, it's way less about the car and more about the personalities behind the wheel, right? Let's all have a group hug and admit the GT3, of any varient out of the box, is well ahead of the Turbo in stock trim. I believe to a man (or woman) we can all agree on that one thing... Beyond that, all the "aftermarket" variables blurr the lines beyond agreement on either side!
Draw?
Mike
Seriously, no harm or ill intent here from this point forward by me... I find it all humorous... We love these cars gang, and this IS the 996 TURBO category. Of course we're going to be passionate about them!
In the end, it's way less about the car and more about the personalities behind the wheel, right? Let's all have a group hug and admit the GT3, of any varient out of the box, is well ahead of the Turbo in stock trim. I believe to a man (or woman) we can all agree on that one thing... Beyond that, all the "aftermarket" variables blurr the lines beyond agreement on either side!
Draw?
Mike
#228
02-11-2010, 11:47 AM
Come on Dennis, That's hitting a bit below the belt there now! He's just focusing on that fine precision steering/ handling, that's all!!
Seriously, no harm or ill intent here from this point forward by me... I find it all humorous... We love these cars gang, and this IS the 996 TURBO category. Of course we're going to be passionate about them!
In the end, it's way less about the car and more about the personalities behind the wheel, right? Let's all have a group hug and admit the GT3, of any varient out of the box, is well ahead of the Turbo in stock trim. I believe to a man (or woman) we can all agree on that one thing... Beyond that, all the "aftermarket" variables blurr the lines beyond agreement on either side!
Draw?
Mike
Seriously, no harm or ill intent here from this point forward by me... I find it all humorous... We love these cars gang, and this IS the 996 TURBO category. Of course we're going to be passionate about them!
In the end, it's way less about the car and more about the personalities behind the wheel, right? Let's all have a group hug and admit the GT3, of any varient out of the box, is well ahead of the Turbo in stock trim. I believe to a man (or woman) we can all agree on that one thing... Beyond that, all the "aftermarket" variables blurr the lines beyond agreement on either side!
Draw?
Mike
I think we have played out here. There is no more to be said. If with all the provided evidence on one side, the other can't agree, then they will never agree. So be it.
#229
02-11-2010, 12:04 PM
If you were to ask 100 journalists/serious drivers/racers whether a 996TT could be made to handle like a 997GT3, I doubt 1, much less 10, would say yes.
The only people who would say yes are 996TT owners on an internet forum that haven't driven a GT3...
Having said all that, I'll probably buy a 6GT2 as my next track car (but I'm honest with myself about what it can and can't do).
#230
02-11-2010, 12:43 PM
I think this question is being looked at from two different standpoints. Handling like can be subjective or objective. Objectively yes the TT can be made to handle as well, meaning it can achieve the same entry apex and exit speeds. Subjectively, I will say that no the TT cannot. Whether or not that is good or not depends on the driver because objectivity is about personal opinion.
Objectively the general consensus (including me) will say that the GT3 is more precise with the steering and gives more driver feedback. IMO the GT3 (especially 996 which I like the feel of better than the 997) is as good as it gets in that area. What it would take to completely replicate or exceed that feel in a Turbo I have no idea.
The fact is that the GT3 is one of the finest drivers cars of all time, and that is engineered in, which is hard to replicate with aftermarket parts.
Objectively the general consensus (including me) will say that the GT3 is more precise with the steering and gives more driver feedback. IMO the GT3 (especially 996 which I like the feel of better than the 997) is as good as it gets in that area. What it would take to completely replicate or exceed that feel in a Turbo I have no idea.
The fact is that the GT3 is one of the finest drivers cars of all time, and that is engineered in, which is hard to replicate with aftermarket parts.
Last edited by heavychevy; 02-11-2010 at 12:45 PM.
#231
02-11-2010, 01:03 PM
You can't really be serious? Read any magazine with an overview of subjective handling traits. How about EVO naming the GT3 both the best track car and the best overall sports car multiple times over the last 10 years? Walter Rohrl has said himself that the GT3 handles better than the GT2 (which I would suspect is more drivable than a modified 6TT in everyone's eyes on the entire earth other than the pro 6tt guys posting over the last 3 pages).
If you were to ask 100 journalists/serious drivers/racers whether a 996TT could be made to handle like a 997GT3, I doubt 1, much less 10, would say yes.
The only people who would say yes are 996TT owners on an internet forum that haven't driven a GT3...
Having said all that, I'll probably buy a 6GT2 as my next track car (but I'm honest with myself about what it can and can't do).
If you were to ask 100 journalists/serious drivers/racers whether a 996TT could be made to handle like a 997GT3, I doubt 1, much less 10, would say yes.
The only people who would say yes are 996TT owners on an internet forum that haven't driven a GT3...
Having said all that, I'll probably buy a 6GT2 as my next track car (but I'm honest with myself about what it can and can't do).
#232
02-11-2010, 02:54 PM
Registered User
You ever written a magazine article? I have. I've had my stuff cut up and turned out as something I couldn't recognize, then published with my name on it... Car related, to be specific. I've also read FLAT LIES in print by auto journalists that I know personally... You really should stick to what your personal experiences are. You do much better with them... Just like the comments previously posted about Rohrl... I don't CARE about his opinion. And I damned sure could care less about the opinions of other motor journalists... You know who'se opinion I care about? Mine. I'm sure you're the same... But come on man. I extend the olive branch and this is your response??? 
And don't lay that "pro 996TT driver" bullshyte on me. I am an amature driver and that's all I've ever claimed to be. You want to come play with me in a Spec Miata class?? Now THERE's a real "handling" competition... Zero power, and ALL driver... And get over yourself... I've driven a COUPLE of GT3s... and two gt2s... They felt more nimble, a little crisper steering... otherwise they felt surprisingly like my 996TT when set up with gobs of negative camber.
I really wish the mods would just lock this whole thread and be done with it, and the nonsense associated with it...
Mike Kelly
And don't lay that "pro 996TT driver" bullshyte on me. I am an amature driver and that's all I've ever claimed to be. You want to come play with me in a Spec Miata class?? Now THERE's a real "handling" competition... Zero power, and ALL driver... And get over yourself... I've driven a COUPLE of GT3s... and two gt2s... They felt more nimble, a little crisper steering... otherwise they felt surprisingly like my 996TT when set up with gobs of negative camber.
I really wish the mods would just lock this whole thread and be done with it, and the nonsense associated with it...
Mike Kelly
You can't really be serious? Read any magazine with an overview of subjective handling traits. How about EVO naming the GT3 both the best track car and the best overall sports car multiple times over the last 10 years? Walter Rohrl has said himself that the GT3 handles better than the GT2 (which I would suspect is more drivable than a modified 6TT in everyone's eyes on the entire earth other than the pro 6tt guys posting over the last 3 pages).
If you were to ask 100 journalists/serious drivers/racers whether a 996TT could be made to handle like a 997GT3, I doubt 1, much less 10, would say yes.
The only people who would say yes are 996TT owners on an internet forum that haven't driven a GT3...
Having said all that, I'll probably buy a 6GT2 as my next track car (but I'm honest with myself about what it can and can't do).
If you were to ask 100 journalists/serious drivers/racers whether a 996TT could be made to handle like a 997GT3, I doubt 1, much less 10, would say yes.
The only people who would say yes are 996TT owners on an internet forum that haven't driven a GT3...
Having said all that, I'll probably buy a 6GT2 as my next track car (but I'm honest with myself about what it can and can't do).
Last edited by Mikelly; 02-12-2010 at 04:00 AM.
#233
02-11-2010, 04:14 PM
TRUTH:
90%+ of turbo owners don't drive their cars anywhere near the limit, reason, it will scare the sh*t out of you when you do.
repeating what some other turbo owners have said, if you spend some money on suspension, minor power upgrades and do some free weigh loss mods, turbos will outrun 6GT3's on the track.
To avoid any confusion, that doesn't mean that the turbo will "FEEL" the same way a GT3 feels when driven to the limit.
90%+ of turbo owners don't drive their cars anywhere near the limit, reason, it will scare the sh*t out of you when you do.
repeating what some other turbo owners have said, if you spend some money on suspension, minor power upgrades and do some free weigh loss mods, turbos will outrun 6GT3's on the track.
To avoid any confusion, that doesn't mean that the turbo will "FEEL" the same way a GT3 feels when driven to the limit.
#234
02-11-2010, 04:43 PM
You can't really be serious? Read any magazine with an overview of subjective handling traits. How about EVO naming the GT3 both the best track car and the best overall sports car multiple times over the last 10 years? Walter Rohrl has said himself that the GT3 handles better than the GT2 (which I would suspect is more drivable than a modified 6TT in everyone's eyes on the entire earth other than the pro 6tt guys posting over the last 3 pages).
If you were to ask 100 journalists/serious drivers/racers whether a 996TT could be made to handle like a 997GT3, I doubt 1, much less 10, would say yes.
The only people who would say yes are 996TT owners on an internet forum that haven't driven a GT3...
Having said all that, I'll probably buy a 6GT2 as my next track car (but I'm honest with myself about what it can and can't do).
If you were to ask 100 journalists/serious drivers/racers whether a 996TT could be made to handle like a 997GT3, I doubt 1, much less 10, would say yes.
The only people who would say yes are 996TT owners on an internet forum that haven't driven a GT3...
Having said all that, I'll probably buy a 6GT2 as my next track car (but I'm honest with myself about what it can and can't do).
it is you who can't be serious. My gosh, myself, HC and Mike provide facts and you provide opinions...ROTFLMAO...This is too much. oh, and for your info, I have driven 996 GT3's and 997 GT3's as well as 996 GT2 and 997 Turbo. I have driven CarreraS's and C4S's. I have never driven a 997 GT2, but I suspect that is the ultimate porsche 911. I think it is you that have not driven anything.
#235
02-11-2010, 05:14 PM
Registered User
And those who agree with you??? Their opinions may be of value to you... Not so much to me... Got it? 
I mean really... At the end of the day, do you really care about my opinion?
And I don't care much about yours...It won't keep me from developing mine. It won't keep me from tracking mine. It won't stop me from dropping drivers in superior GT2/3s...
Mike
I mean really... At the end of the day, do you really care about my opinion?
And I don't care much about yours...It won't keep me from developing mine. It won't keep me from tracking mine. It won't stop me from dropping drivers in superior GT2/3s...
Mike
Last edited by Mikelly; 02-12-2010 at 04:01 AM.
#236
02-11-2010, 05:57 PM
I'm a debater at heart and love trading details in order to draw a conclusion but when it comes down to it bench racing doesn't make you any faster on the track.
The GT3 is a potent machine, and IMO is hp for lb the best car there is. Is probably the best track ready and well engineered car from the factory ever made. But I will mop the floor with them every chance I get, just like I will anything else I can.
I guess the main point is lets not lose sight of the fact that we are here because we love Porsche's whether or not we agree on how fast one is or isn't the big picture. We can disagree with facts without being disagreeable and insulting to others.
We have a much better time at the track together than on the internet bickering. I guess the off season is starting to get to our heads. I apologize if I've offended anyone here.
As for me, this is a case where I can prove my points personally and I intend to do so. For any new 6 TT owners or owners who have yet to track their car, take a look at the laptimes thread and see times that people from this very section are setting all over the country. Your car is fast, don't buy into the negativity.
Get some seat time and instruction and I assure you that you won't get passed much at the track.
The GT3 is a potent machine, and IMO is hp for lb the best car there is. Is probably the best track ready and well engineered car from the factory ever made. But I will mop the floor with them every chance I get, just like I will anything else I can.
I guess the main point is lets not lose sight of the fact that we are here because we love Porsche's whether or not we agree on how fast one is or isn't the big picture. We can disagree with facts without being disagreeable and insulting to others.
We have a much better time at the track together than on the internet bickering. I guess the off season is starting to get to our heads. I apologize if I've offended anyone here.
As for me, this is a case where I can prove my points personally and I intend to do so. For any new 6 TT owners or owners who have yet to track their car, take a look at the laptimes thread and see times that people from this very section are setting all over the country. Your car is fast, don't buy into the negativity.
Get some seat time and instruction and I assure you that you won't get passed much at the track.
#237
02-11-2010, 06:02 PM
I'm a debater at heart and love trading details in order to draw a conclusion but when it comes down to it bench racing doesn't make you any faster on the track.
The GT3 is a potent machine, and IMO is hp for lb the best car there is. Is probably the best track ready and well engineered car from the factory ever made. But I will mop the floor with them every chance I get, just like I will anything else I can.
I guess the main point is lets not lose sight of the fact that we are here because we love Porsche's whether or not we agree on how fast one is or isn't the big picture. We can disagree with facts without being disagreeable and insulting to others.
We have a much better time at the track together than on the internet bickering. I guess the off season is starting to get to our heads. I apologize if I've offended anyone here.
As for me, this is a case where I can prove my points personally and I intend to do so. For any new 6 TT owners or owners who have yet to track their car, take a look at the laptimes thread and see times that people from this very section are setting all over the country. Your car is fast, don't buy into the negativity.
Get some seat time and instruction and I assure you that you won't get passed much at the track.
The GT3 is a potent machine, and IMO is hp for lb the best car there is. Is probably the best track ready and well engineered car from the factory ever made. But I will mop the floor with them every chance I get, just like I will anything else I can.
I guess the main point is lets not lose sight of the fact that we are here because we love Porsche's whether or not we agree on how fast one is or isn't the big picture. We can disagree with facts without being disagreeable and insulting to others.
We have a much better time at the track together than on the internet bickering. I guess the off season is starting to get to our heads. I apologize if I've offended anyone here.
As for me, this is a case where I can prove my points personally and I intend to do so. For any new 6 TT owners or owners who have yet to track their car, take a look at the laptimes thread and see times that people from this very section are setting all over the country. Your car is fast, don't buy into the negativity.
Get some seat time and instruction and I assure you that you won't get passed much at the track.
