ouch, maybe we can all learn from this...

 

he did , but the thread was closed.

 

maybe this can help:

http://cgi.ebay.de/Porsche-911-Turbo-996-Motor-Anbauteilen-/160439810488?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item25 5af539b8

http://cgi.ebay.de/PORSCHE-996-TURBO-MOTOR-ANBAUTEILEN-/350205012841?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item51 89d86b69

 

noone in houston was involved the reseller that sold the kit and installed it is not in business anymore. (IA)

Kit is Evoms, Tune is GIAC

it over boosted the first time for a full rebuild, i purchased the car with 1800miles on fresh engine contacted evoms immediately for more info to freshen the tune get more info etc. got ignored no phone calls returned. People warned me about the tuning but i was a cheap *** saying ahh it runs fine its fast why change what works. now it has killed it self yet again on a fresh built motor and parties involved wouldn't even offer to diagnose the problem for me without me paying for it. didn't offer a retune after i fix the motor on them or nothing basically very nicely Rod Z said i was SOL.

 

I'm sure you're not the only one this has happened to.

 

Lets hope that this thread does not get closed, if that happens it is clearly a case of protecting sponsors while disregarding the interests of the rank and file members.

PS: Scott, the above was not directed at you.

 

Unfortunately, this doesn't surprise me. I am just sorry that you have to deal with this.

 

Yup i remember that,too.

 

That sounds frustrating. Are you looking to take any further action towards the parties involved at this point, or just trying to move on and forget about it with a new motor/build/tune/etc? Have you found mechanics and vendors you can trust this time around? What steps are you taking this time around to avoid the same type of issues again? Sounds like you are being thorough and it will be sorted out soon enough.

 

taking action, wouldnt go very far as i was not the original who had the things done, and at this point i want nothign to do with any of the companies involved id rather have a superior product that their producers care about their customers.

Now for people who will stand behind their product yes i have found 3 affordable shops that will stand behind what they do. One in Houston, One in CA and one up in Washington. There very well may be more who fir this catagory but these from my research are people with integrity.
(UMW, BBI Autosport, Motorwerks in Houston)

i have spoken to every major shop that most people on here get their work done with and even spoke to the shops that most of you think are doing all their own work who actually farm it out in some cases all to the same person!

I have researched every viable option for keeping the heads sealed to the block from people who can get the stock gasket to hold with stock studs(over factory torque spec) to aftermarket head studs (BBI, UMW, Racewear, and even ARP) and Usging a Multi Layer Steel Head gasket

to the next step O ring the heads with a stainless steel O ring and a backup ring around the back side of this ring for stability and the ability to torque down evenly.

to usging another O ring method that uses a crushable fire ring backed with another exotic material to make the fire ring resuable and then a MLS head gasket to seal the water and oil jackets.

both of these methods are crazy expensive to me whos been familar with head oringing for many years on off road race engines.

so you have 3 different methods which all work. the best is definately head Oringing as all over engineered boosted motors are sealed this way. but in our case unless you going for well above 2 bar there is no need stock gaskets sealed properly and MLS gaskets sealed properly have been proven upto 3Bar of boost in this community and others.

Ive found out alot of the motors people on here think are the holy grail are not as *built* as i thought. some of these bad *** motors were done very cheap, not cost effective just cheap.

Head work is where there is such long waits for valves, port work and cams.
Some people out there charge insane amounts for these services and i just refuse to spend what they want.

My quest is to fix this engine so it never comes apart again unless i want it to. But do it on a reasonable budget, i am not rich and work very hard to achieve my goals.

so im exploring 1-2 upgrades as i rebuild the motor (it already has pauter x beam rods) either port work or cams or maybe neither

if i had a lift and the room to do this at my place in washington id do it myself but the convience and having someone who will stand behind their work so i can enjoy this entirely too expensive car for what i bought it for sounds better.

i have found many interesting facts and the more i learn about this current motor we have the more i cant believe how old the technology is. And also learned quite a bit about who is a real tuner/gear head and who is a parts resaler in our small community.

 

Very interesting point...could you share a couple of examples on this theme?




One thing I didn't understand, does your motor need a full rebuild or only a head/studs work?

 

The rods are 993 era, the bottom end is basically a 962 same with oil pump, and the intake manifold and EPA air pump are very dated.

basically what makes this motor special is the heads and the tuning. every thing else is old!


One thing that you will find as you research about these motors is a full rebuild and a head gasket is not much different. the bulk of your labor is if you have to remove the cylidner liners because of the process it takes is where 40-60hrs of your labor is. once you have removed the pistons there is only bottom end bearings, oil pump and a few gaskets left. the cylinder liners are nikasil coated so you dont bore these motors. So if your liners are good on the sealing surface(head gasket) and your not doing a 3.8 or larger kit you just put in new rings and put it back together.

now if your liners are not in good condition on the sealing surface they have to be replaced not machined. this is where most people just go 3.8kit as the prices are not much different.

so the difference between head gasket and full rebuild is not much if the cylidner head is not touched.

 

I have heard that the stock (Nikasil) liners are better quality than most aftermarket liners.

 

Wow, that sucks! One thing to keep in mind is that 996tt engines are not 100% unique when it come to engine work. Heads are all a little different On all cars and most competent shops can do head work without the P-tax. Also crank grinding is not something that other quality non Porsche engine shops can't do. Once you get the wetsleeves and heads off, you are pretty much working on a 993 engine. The 964 and 993 owners have been succesfully rebuilding their own engines without prior experience. I am not saying you should do your own work, just that these engines are not made out of pixie dust and graham *******s and the work does not require a 996tt specialist only. The shops you mention are great and have a ton of experience. I just find it intereting that the 996tt engines cost so much to rebuild when the mechanics for most of the engine is a 1950s design that has been improved on over the years. If the good vw aircooled guys had the specialty tools, they could fairly easily build your Porsche engine for alot less. One day these engines won't cost twice as much to build as a 964 na engine. Let the flamming begins.

 

i agree man, i could build 3 v8'sfor 1000hp for the labor this build will rack up.

if i wasn't scheduled to go to a 8month long project in the snowy mountains id probably do the work myself, but when i get off time id have to start the build during summer and then loose another year of driving it =(

the only two items about this car i even think are something out of ordinary are the way you install the pistons and time the motor other then that its just an engine. But disclaimer here there is quite a bit of special processes indicative of this particular motor on how it goes together.