I am indeed a car snob.

I disagree that the Vette is 85% of a Carrera GT. I doubt it is even 85% the car that a Stradale is, even if it is faster in a straight line. Seeing as how the CGT is 300% the car a Stradale is, this would make the value proposition of a Z06 at most 28.33%. This would make the performance value (excluding, cache, luxury, build quality, etc.) approximately $125,000. Still not bad for the Vette.

A Carrera GT is like a cross-breed between a GT3-RS and a McLaren F1 with some Boxster thrown in for good measure. If you look at it that way, it's really a performance bargain and eventually will be the greatest performance steal for years to come.

As for the GT2, I'd rather have ONE GT2 than three American cars. Besides, the Vette will never have the cache of the GT2. If you disagreed with me, you wouldn't be hunting for another GT2, would you? Every time you disparage that car, you are always somehow looking for another one and it's the one girlfriend you keep going back to because the sex is so good even though she might not be as hot as the Ferrari on the outside. Hmmmmm....

 

Darren, I would be more than happy to take care of you. I would be glad to place an order for you no obligation.

Craig

 

We natives know there are three VERY different Californias and dialects : 1) Northern Cal- 'darn', 2) Southern Cal 'damn' and 3) Arkansas 'dayum' ( San Joaquin Valley ).

 

That's great if the only thing you care about is performance. For me, there's *alot* more to the sports car "experience" than just performance.

 

It is a tremendous track car out of the box, and will dominate at several race levels to say the least. The problem is that these cars just don't have any soul. Vettes, and the people who chose them will always be in that special catagory. No offense intended, just my 2 cents.

 

I am not sure why everytime a Corvette/Z06 is mentioned many of you abuse the car and its potential owners and are reduced to sounding like morons. Then the thread always seems to go by the way of comparing a $450,000 supercar (CGT) to a $65,000 everyday driver (Z06). Everyone seems to respect the Elise which is nothing more than a re-bodied Toyota. So appreciate the Z06 for what it is. An extremely high performance vehicle with an affordable price tag.

 

Regardless of soul, prestige, social status, etc...The Vette continues to be a good (performance) value, and with some suspension work can be a very potent street or track car for a relatively small investment. Even the plain C5 and C6 can be turned into true world-class supercars with $20k ($15k Supercharge to 900hp+, $5k for top suspension upgrade), and you've got a car that few can touch in power or handling for less than a plain Carrera.

IMO, the Porsche comes with inherent tighter feel, more car/driver communication, legendary style and lineage that is immediately recognizable and differentiated from any other sports car, and prestige that accompanies a limited production car that's affordable only to those of privelege or great success.

I'll continue to own Porsche's and will again own a Vette sometime in the next few years (had a mod'd C5 6spd a few yrs back). The Vette is comfortable, relaxing to cruise in--perhaps due to more of an inherent numb feeling as compared to the Porsche--sounds like only a Vette can, and is unique in its own right.

It's enjoyable to experience different sports cars rather than stick to just one type. For me, it's comparable to cuisine, I enjoy them all and relish the freedom to partake of different flavors and styles.

I have several cars, but usually only one sports car and one race car in the group at any particular time. When I have the space and finances to own more sports cars, I'll look forward to having an example of the best of breed from differing marques to drive on different days. GT2, CGT, GT3, Carrera, Boxster, Z06, Gallardo, 360, CS, 430, 612, Ford GT, Elise, SL65, SLK55, Bentley GT, Maserati GT, M3, and on and on...so many delicious flavors to enjoy...not one of them do I find to satisfy me forever, but I'm excited to partake of each different one when the mood strikes, and feel fortunate to have the opportunity. As my wife says "it's a good thing you're not like this with your women!"

 

Dave, I don't see how you can have a "top" suspension upgrade for $5K when good race shocks such as Penske or JRZ or Ohlins are more than double to triple that price for shocks alone.

Also, there is no way the stock Vette chassis will be able to effectively use 900hp on any given racetrack unless it is a banked oval or a straight line. Even the C5-R's don't run nearly that much power.

Then the other thing to take into consideration is reliability. Is a 900hp Vette really a car you can pound on the racetrack lap after lap without having to worry about breakdown? Will the rest of the drivetrain and cooling system handle such power on a regular basis?

It takes soooooooo much more than a coilover set and supercharger to be a "world-class supercar." I really got a taste of this when I rode in Ben's Carrera GT. The GT2 is a world-class car alright, but the CGT is a true SUPERCAR.

 

I saw Tyson driving a 96 Camaro LT1....

 

shhhhhhh... that was my mom's car.

I was gonna punk you at the stop light because I just had my cousin install the nitrous in the back seat.

 

Compared to a Ferrari Enzo or F430 , to most folks , a 911 , whether a 1972 911 or a newer GT2 is as " blend into traffic " indistinguishable as a 1972 Corvette or a 2005 C6 since their respective silhouettes haven't changed in 40 years .. So much for ego stroking , comparing these two brands.

 

ROFL I thought you had a sneaky pete in there... Nice cowl hood btw!

 

You're talking about race car upgrades, I was referring to top upgrades that are currently done to (street) cars that are in the supercar category, such as Moton Clubsport for example (of course labor and all the extra bits you really should add-on could easily put you into the $10k+ range, so my estimate figures were lean--isn't that always the way it is with upgrades).

If you put a true race suspension on a street car, you've got a bastardized street car with a punishing ride on most public roads, and you still don't have a real purpose-built race car chassis, which as you know is a different animal. A true race supension has no place on a public road with such varying surface conditions.

Reliability-wise, whether an SC or a turbo upgrade, only time will tell whose upgrades are reliable long-term, hard to predict at this point, and most drivers really don't hammer their street car on the track, nor do most tuners run their "Stage X,Y or Z" motors on the dyno for 500 hours and likewise most don't have OE development experience where longevity is paramount--some do, but they are very few. As far as effectively using power, I personally don't think power in the higher ranges we're seeing lately (600-700hp+) makes much sense for a street sports car. Many drivers don't take the time to build skill to thoroughly control the OE power of their sports cars (obviously there are exceptions), and learn how to handle the car at its limits, so adding 30-60% more power only creates a potentially dangerous weapon and bragging rights about dyno numbers. If power numbers were most important, it's cheaper to get it with a Vette than with a Porsche, but it's a moot point, who cares; that's not the end-all determinant of a well-designed sports car.

The GT2 is certainly a world-class supercar, you know that more than most I'd predict. So is the Z06. The CGT redefines the term, and is really in it's own strata. There are precious few cars that can equal it's versatility as an ultra-capable sports car for the street and a serious track car. If that's the measuring stick, perhaps nothing truly compares at any price.

I was trying to demonstrate the performance value proposition the Vette provides, not provoke a debate or split hairs.

Money being no object, the CGT is THE car.

 

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i got my hair piece, my gold chains and my trailer house and i gonna kick yo' porsche *** tyson baby

 

Hate to get caught up in it and loose a bunch as most did with the 2001 ZO6, just because they added a couple horses the next year.