996 TT Billet K16 DYNO@628HP
#46
But I think that is another problem. When the panel lights turn on the turnos are limit to 0.8 Bar!
Thanks
#47
I don't want to sound like the guy from poland with the TT GT3 but maybe you guys should try euro dynos, where anyone with any stock car (that works fine and that isn't f'd up) goes to pretty much any dyno and gets within 5 crank HP of what the manufacturer rates the car at. What you state defines a dyno as a totally random unreliable machine that in best case scenarios can spit out numbers based off a baseline, nothing else. Besides, the OP already has a baseline, as he posted 441 crank HP for his car as stock, which, assuming he has an aftermarket exhaust fitted to it, would make sense for crank HP. Maybe it's time for you guys to broaden your horizons and open your minds a little. Statements such as you made basically make any dyno owner frown and make them wish they'd never purchased a dyno.
Well said!
#48
My point which is being missed here - is that the actual hp numbers cannot be compared between different dynos. Yes Tony and Steve can give accurate estimates of their dynos to a resulting trap speed. However, could Tony give an accurate estimate for a number placed on Steve's dyno? Doubtful at best. A dyno gives you a number, plain and simple. If you don't have a baseline you have nothing. I have seen dynos generate numbers on my car off by 50 whp with no change in mods. They are machines that require calibration, differ in atmospheric conditions, etc. How on earth could you possibly compare the two accurately? Always get a baseline or you are wasting your time.
Anyone can get a dyno with 50 whp difference, go to a Dyno Dynamics or Mustang and then to a Dynojet. Simple. I have two sheets from a couple of months apart that are 85 whp apart. That doesn't change he fact that you can in fact get a ballpark number and baseline is NOT everything.
That being said, I'm not going to hijack this thread any further, anyone who wants to do some research can look around and do some homework on the dyno's around them and decide for themselves. But saying a dyno is no good for any thing but delta is blatantly false.
Last edited by heavychevy; 10-08-2011 at 08:19 AM.
#49
To clarify the UK and Europe use S_HP. Which is a calculated crank HP not wheel.
Most good dynos over here now work out what the losses in the wheels and drive chain . This is done by reversal of the dyno process.
Have you ever wondered why the Dyno operator is intensely monitoring the dyno even when the run is completed and the car is running down speed in gear. Well instead of the dyno working out what the Torque is at the wheels, when the operator lifts off power and leaves the car in gear the dyno works out how much torque is being used / sapped on the run down. Basically as the car slows the dyno is measuring the negative amount of effort it is putting into the rollers. Hence giving you losses. Most manufactures will also give correction figures for their cars.
That's how crank HP is measured. Don't ask why we have gone down this route. why do you call Bonnets , Hoods and Pavements , Side walks.lol its just one of those cultural differences.
what I would say is a dyno isn't really anygood unless its the same one you use, with the same temps, fuel ,tyres etc. Another thing to remember, you will always get more power off a dyno once your out in the cool air. eg, if your standard 996tt shown only 410 bhp on the dyno, you can bet it will be more out on the road. Dynos are good for comparisons and not good for betting your house on.
As to tuning, no good dyno operator will tune a car before getting a base line Dyno reading. Its the only way to know you have achieved anything.
There isn't really an argument to have if your a good tuner you always do a pre tune , base line run.
Most good dynos over here now work out what the losses in the wheels and drive chain . This is done by reversal of the dyno process.
Have you ever wondered why the Dyno operator is intensely monitoring the dyno even when the run is completed and the car is running down speed in gear. Well instead of the dyno working out what the Torque is at the wheels, when the operator lifts off power and leaves the car in gear the dyno works out how much torque is being used / sapped on the run down. Basically as the car slows the dyno is measuring the negative amount of effort it is putting into the rollers. Hence giving you losses. Most manufactures will also give correction figures for their cars.
That's how crank HP is measured. Don't ask why we have gone down this route. why do you call Bonnets , Hoods and Pavements , Side walks.lol its just one of those cultural differences.
what I would say is a dyno isn't really anygood unless its the same one you use, with the same temps, fuel ,tyres etc. Another thing to remember, you will always get more power off a dyno once your out in the cool air. eg, if your standard 996tt shown only 410 bhp on the dyno, you can bet it will be more out on the road. Dynos are good for comparisons and not good for betting your house on.
As to tuning, no good dyno operator will tune a car before getting a base line Dyno reading. Its the only way to know you have achieved anything.
There isn't really an argument to have if your a good tuner you always do a pre tune , base line run.
Last edited by Frank ( Sunnyside ); 10-08-2011 at 08:24 AM.
#50
I check the brake pedal switch. Disconnect and connect the wires and drive some kilometers. The ABS+PSM light didn’t turn on.
However, in the next day I drove again the car and when I braked hard the lights turn on again. I stopped the car disconnect and connect again the wires and drive some kilometers. The ABS+PSM light didn’t turn on.
Like you suggest I think the switch is not OK and I will buy a new one to replace this.
Thanks for your suggest.
Best Regards,
Vitor S.
#51
Hi,
I check the break pedal switch. Disconnect and connect the wires and drive some kilometers. The ABS+PSM light didn’t turn on.
However, in the next day I drove again the car and when I braked hard the lights turn on again. I stopped the car disconnect and connect again the wires and drive some kilometers. The ABS+PSM light didn’t turn on.
Like you suggest I think the switch is not OK and I will buy a new one to replace this.
Thanks for your suggest.
Best Regards,
Vitor S.
I check the break pedal switch. Disconnect and connect the wires and drive some kilometers. The ABS+PSM light didn’t turn on.
However, in the next day I drove again the car and when I braked hard the lights turn on again. I stopped the car disconnect and connect again the wires and drive some kilometers. The ABS+PSM light didn’t turn on.
Like you suggest I think the switch is not OK and I will buy a new one to replace this.
Thanks for your suggest.
Best Regards,
Vitor S.
#52
I know Rotronics dynos and the figures say on the graph "engine power" not wheel power. The problem with them is that they use a mixture of measured and calculated drivetrain losses, and therefore, it is plain impossible to know what WHP is on that dyno. However, having seen many cars tested on such a dyno, where a manufacturer rates a given crank number, what you get on a Rotronics is quite close to that, give or take a few HP. Now you US guys may discuss and argue for years that there is no way to measure losses, regardless, the stuff works
Sorry for my mistake!
VS
#54
Today I drove the car again.
The ABS+PSM light turn on without brake.
This happened also with your car?
I'm worried because it could be another problem more difficult to solve!
Best Regards,
Vitor S.
#55
Apparently in layman's terms if the car senses your making a turn by measuring the steering angle but your not actually making a turn it can throw an alarm.
Last edited by Frank ( Sunnyside ); 10-12-2011 at 06:06 AM.
#58
I'd put my money on blown MAF sensor. 628 FWHP requires airflow of about 575 g/sec ( ~2000kg/h ), awfully lot for stock Bosch MAF.
Bosch MAF's max massflow is 364 g/sec ( 1350 kg/h ) and max velocity it can measure is ~160 mph.
Converted to MAF housing size that is 73mm.
When placed in an 88mm housing it still "sees" 364 g/sec but the true airmass is 533 g/sec ( at 160 mph).
Bosch MAF's max massflow is 364 g/sec ( 1350 kg/h ) and max velocity it can measure is ~160 mph.
Converted to MAF housing size that is 73mm.
When placed in an 88mm housing it still "sees" 364 g/sec but the true airmass is 533 g/sec ( at 160 mph).
#59
I'd put my money on blown MAF sensor. 628 FWHP requires airflow of about 575 g/sec ( ~2000kg/h ), awfully lot for stock Bosch MAF.
Bosch MAF's max massflow is 364 g/sec ( 1350 kg/h ) and max velocity it can measure is ~160 mph.
Converted to MAF housing size that is 73mm.
When placed in an 88mm housing it still "sees" 364 g/sec but the true airmass is 533 g/sec ( at 160 mph).
Bosch MAF's max massflow is 364 g/sec ( 1350 kg/h ) and max velocity it can measure is ~160 mph.
Converted to MAF housing size that is 73mm.
When placed in an 88mm housing it still "sees" 364 g/sec but the true airmass is 533 g/sec ( at 160 mph).
Stock 996TT MAF sensor only reads 1398.7 kg/h uncorrected raw air flow, which translates to 388.53g/s. That's also the reason why any decent stage 1 tune maxes out the sensor at around 4800-5200 RPM